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[Inmate Trump]

A lot of these polls seem to indicate that Clark is more to the left than most people thought (since he scores so low on all the Republicans results) and that Kerry is more to the right, since he does relatively well on their scores. Any thoughts?

I think that's about right.  Clark is as left wing as Sharpton.  And a liberal can't win nationally.

I say, nominate Clark!

[Huckleberry Finn]

I agree most of your points.

Many Europeans had big problem to accept war against Iraq, because there wasn't ACUTE genocide going on..Of cource there was human right cricis.

[Gustaf]

Well. I have the say that there is very few pro-life in Finnish National Coaliton Party. It's pretty liberal on social issues. Home, religion and Fatherland were once it's mainvalues, but nowadays it's more Libertarian party.

We have small Christian Democratic Party in Finland. It's conservative on social issues, but pretty liberal in economy.

GWBFan. I hope that you did'n get angry with my statement that your post was misleading. But honestly. It was. Kosovo operation was  essential and it's no doubt that Milosevic is very big war criminal. But well you did not write it yourself.

Actually, I agreed with taking Milosevic out.  I didn't write the article, as you pointed out.  I myself believe the U.S. has a *right* to take out any dictator possible if it means saving lives in the long run.

But the author of this article has a wonderful point.  If you supported Kosovo, which posed absolutely NO THREAT to us, then there's no way you canNOT support Iraq, which at the very least posed some threat to us.  Kosovo was a battle in favor of human rights; Iraq is as well.

What happened to the Democrats?  They used to be the party of human rights, which would make them highly supportive of this war.  The only reason they hate this war is b/c it isn't a liberal Democrat masterminding it.

Well, a lot of people had Bosnia in mind, when it came to Kosovo. We knew what Milosevic could do.

You have to remember that for Europeans, Yugoslavia is the back yard. It's like Cuba or Grenada for you, we're naturally more supportive of action being taken there. Also, there is still the case of what reason is given for action. The Kosovo War, I believe, was started due to human rights, the Iraq War wasn't. And I think you're missing the point of most non-Americans; we naturally get more suspicious of wars fought for national interests, rather than humanitarian concerns.

[Inmate Trump]

Well, a lot of people had Bosnia in mind, when it came to Kosovo. We knew what Milosevic could do.

You have to remember that for Europeans, Yugoslavia is the back yard. It's like Cuba or Grenada for you, we're naturally more supportive of action being taken there. Also, there is still the case of what reason is given for action. The Kosovo War, I believe, was started due to human rights, the Iraq War wasn't. And I think you're missing the point of most non-Americans; we naturally get more suspicious of wars fought for national interests, rather than humanitarian concerns.

In your backyard... I can understand that.

The reason for war? Hm, interesting.

But at the end of the day, justice has been served.  Saddam has been taken out, his people will no longer be tortured and murdered by this evil dictator any longer.

Do the ends not justify the means?

[Gustaf]

Well, a lot of people had Bosnia in mind, when it came to Kosovo. We knew what Milosevic could do.

You have to remember that for Europeans, Yugoslavia is the back yard. It's like Cuba or Grenada for you, we're naturally more supportive of action being taken there. Also, there is still the case of what reason is given for action. The Kosovo War, I believe, was started due to human rights, the Iraq War wasn't. And I think you're missing the point of most non-Americans; we naturally get more suspicious of wars fought for national interests, rather than humanitarian concerns.

In your backyard... I can understand that.

The reason for war? Hm, interesting.

But at the end of the day, justice has been served.  Saddam has been taken out, his people will no longer be tortured and murdered by this evil dictator any longer.

Do the ends not justify the means?

Sometimes they do, but it should have been brought forward from the beginning. I do think that the Iraq War was, overall, a good thing. (We are a few Swedes with that opinion...) But I feel that reasons are important. I think that the real reason for the Iraq War was 1) Bush wanted to take out Saddam, and he had a good excuse and 2) Bush wasn't willing to take chances in the wake on 9/11.

[Nym90]

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5.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (74%)  Click here for info
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7.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (73%)  Click here for info
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11.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (59%)  Click here for info
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14.  Libertarian Candidate   (28%)  Click here for info
15.  Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law   (9%)  Click here for info
16.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (8%)  Click here for info
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[Gustaf]

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4.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (77%)  Click here for info
5.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (74%)  Click here for info
6.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (74%)  Click here for info
7.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (73%)  Click here for info
8.  Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat   (67%)  Click here for info
9.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (63%)  Click here for info
10.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (63%)  Click here for info
11.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (59%)  Click here for info
12.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (43%)  Click here for info
13.  LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat   (41%)  Click here for info
14.  Libertarian Candidate   (28%)  Click here for info
15.  Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law   (9%)  Click here for info
16.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (8%)  Click here for info
17.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (8%)  Click here for info

You seem much further to the left than I thought.

[Beet]

So did I. I got Green Party at 70%, but I never considered myself a supporter of their party. I think there must be something wrong with the way they calculate it!

[Inmate Trump]

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4.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (77%)  Click here for info
5.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (74%)  Click here for info
6.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (74%)  Click here for info
7.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (73%)  Click here for info
8.  Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat   (67%)  Click here for info
9.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (63%)  Click here for info
10.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (63%)  Click here for info
11.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (59%)  Click here for info
12.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (43%)  Click here for info
13.  LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat   (41%)  Click here for info
14.  Libertarian Candidate   (28%)  Click here for info
15.  Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law   (9%)  Click here for info
16.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (8%)  Click here for info
17.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (8%)  Click here for info

Holy crap!

Green party?!  Socialist?!?!

Hmm.  Hmmmmm.  Mayhap we can use this against you in the fantasy election...

Bwahahaahahaha.

[Gustaf]

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4.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (77%)  Click here for info
5.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (74%)  Click here for info
6.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (74%)  Click here for info
7.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (73%)  Click here for info
8.  Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat   (67%)  Click here for info
9.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (63%)  Click here for info
10.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (63%)  Click here for info
11.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (59%)  Click here for info
12.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (43%)  Click here for info
13.  LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat   (41%)  Click here for info
14.  Libertarian Candidate   (28%)  Click here for info
15.  Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law   (9%)  Click here for info
16.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (8%)  Click here for info
17.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (8%)  Click here for info

Holy crap!

Green party?!  Socialist?!?!

Hmm.  Hmmmmm.  Mayhap we can use this against you in the fantasy election...

Bwahahaahahaha.

Jus' you wait, jus' you wait. We will get something against you too...

[Beet]

Heh, nym's own explanation of his views trumps the formulaic results of any website.

[YRABNNRM]

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3.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (46%)  
4.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (45%)  
5.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (43%)  
6.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (42%)  
7.  Libertarian Candidate   (35%)  
8.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (29%)  
9.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (27%)  
10.  Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat   (16%)  
11.  Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat   (10%)  
12.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (7%)  

[Nym90]

Yeah, I was surprised too. I didn't consider myself that far left either. As always the tests are not necessarily an accurate reflector of one's views. I know there are several questions that they did not ask which might have made a difference in the results.

[© tweed]

Yeah, I was surprised too. I didn't consider myself that far left either. As always the tests are not necessarily an accurate reflector of one's views. I know there are several questions that they did not ask which might have made a difference in the results.

Did you take the selector quiz?

[Nym90]

Yes, the one that had a link to it at the beginning of this thread.

[© tweed]

Yes, the one that had a link to it at the beginning of this thread.

I don't see your results posted anywhere.

[Gustaf]

Yes, the one that had a link to it at the beginning of this thread.

I don't see your results posted anywhere.

On the previous page.

[© tweed]

Oh.

[© tweed]

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6.  Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat   (74%)  Click here for info
7.  Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat   (73%)  Click here for info
8.  Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat   (67%)  Click here for info
9.  Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat   (63%)  Click here for info
10.  Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat   (63%)  Click here for info
11.  Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat   (59%)  Click here for info
12.  Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat   (43%)  Click here for info
13.  LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat   (41%)  Click here for info
14.  Libertarian Candidate   (28%)  Click here for info
15.  Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law   (9%)  Click here for info
16.  Bush, President George W. - Republican   (8%)  Click here for info
17.  Phillips, Howard - Constitution   (8%)  Click here for info

Holy crap!

Green party?!  Socialist?!?!

Hmm.  Hmmmmm.  Mayhap we can use this against you in the fantasy election...

Bwahahaahahaha.

That's why I didn't include generic party candidates in my results.

[12th Doctor]

You know what's wierd?  I wasn't even trying and I got 100% Bush.  I thought that was a little strange, I was answering the questions honestly.  The closest Democrat to myself is Liebermann.  No supprise there.

Soulty,

You don't have to share this if you don't want to, but since you got 100% Bush, could you list each of the Dem candidates so we can see how well Bush matches up with each of the Dems?

I'll do it if I can.

[12th Doctor]

You know what's wierd?  I wasn't even trying and I got 100% Bush.  I thought that was a little strange, I was answering the questions honestly.  The closest Democrat to myself is Liebermann.  No supprise there.

Soulty,

You don't have to share this if you don't want to, but since you got 100% Bush, could you list each of the Dem candidates so we can see how well Bush matches up with each of the Dems?

I'll do it if I can.

I tried guys, but I can't reproduce the same result and they didn't send it to me in my e-mail.  i had to have picked all of the issues perfectly (not hard) and all of the "importance" perfectly (a much harder feat, because that can swing depending on what is in the news and my mood).  All I can tell you is that Liebermann is closest and Gepardt is second, With Kerry near there.  I had 100% Bush and 36% Liebermann (who I was closest to).  Do there is a massive divide between the parties in this election.

[Gustaf]

You know what's wierd?  I wasn't even trying and I got 100% Bush.  I thought that was a little strange, I was answering the questions honestly.  The closest Democrat to myself is Liebermann.  No supprise there.

Soulty,

You don't have to share this if you don't want to, but since you got 100% Bush, could you list each of the Dem candidates so we can see how well Bush matches up with each of the Dems?

I'll do it if I can.

I tried guys, but I can't reproduce the same result and they didn't send it to me in my e-mail.  i had to have picked all of the issues perfectly (not hard) and all of the "importance" perfectly (a much harder feat, because that can swing depending on what is in the news and my mood).  All I can tell you is that Liebermann is closest and Gepardt is second, With Kerry near there.  I had 100% Bush and 36% Liebermann (who I was closest to).  Do there is a massive divide between the parties in this election.

That depends on who is doing the test. Leip got Bush and Dean fairly close to each other.

I agree that these things are hard, I usually just do them without thinking too much. I still usually get rather similar results, though.

[12th Doctor]

You know what's wierd?  I wasn't even trying and I got 100% Bush.  I thought that was a little strange, I was answering the questions honestly.  The closest Democrat to myself is Liebermann.  No supprise there.

Soulty,

You don't have to share this if you don't want to, but since you got 100% Bush, could you list each of the Dem candidates so we can see how well Bush matches up with each of the Dems?

I'll do it if I can.

I tried guys, but I can't reproduce the same result and they didn't send it to me in my e-mail.  i had to have picked all of the issues perfectly (not hard) and all of the "importance" perfectly (a much harder feat, because that can swing depending on what is in the news and my mood).  All I can tell you is that Liebermann is closest and Gepardt is second, With Kerry near there.  I had 100% Bush and 36% Liebermann (who I was closest to).  Do there is a massive divide between the parties in this election.

That depends on who is doing the test. Leip got Bush and Dean fairly close to each other.

I agree that these things are hard, I usually just do them without thinking too much. I still usually get rather similar results, though.

Not that they are hard, it is just that it is hard to reproduce the exact same results on osme of these things, because my moods and focuses can shift.  I put down the exact same results, but I had different emphasis because the news is different from what it was 2 days ago and because recent disscussions I have had have had different focuses.

[Gustaf]

You know what's wierd?  I wasn't even trying and I got 100% Bush.  I thought that was a little strange, I was answering the questions honestly.  The closest Democrat to myself is Liebermann.  No supprise there.

Soulty,

You don't have to share this if you don't want to, but since you got 100% Bush, could you list each of the Dem candidates so we can see how well Bush matches up with each of the Dems?

I'll do it if I can.

I tried guys, but I can't reproduce the same result and they didn't send it to me in my e-mail.  i had to have picked all of the issues perfectly (not hard) and all of the "importance" perfectly (a much harder feat, because that can swing depending on what is in the news and my mood).  All I can tell you is that Liebermann is closest and Gepardt is second, With Kerry near there.  I had 100% Bush and 36% Liebermann (who I was closest to).  Do there is a massive divide between the parties in this election.

That depends on who is doing the test. Leip got Bush and Dean fairly close to each other.

I agree that these things are hard, I usually just do them without thinking too much. I still usually get rather similar results, though.

Not that they are hard, it is just that it is hard to reproduce the exact same results on osme of these things, because my moods and focuses can shift.  I put down the exact same results, but I had different emphasis because the news is different from what it was 2 days ago and because recent disscussions I have had have had different focuses.

Yeah, well that's what I meant...

[12th Doctor]

You know what's wierd?  I wasn't even trying and I got 100% Bush.  I thought that was a little strange, I was answering the questions honestly.  The closest Democrat to myself is Liebermann.  No supprise there.

Soulty,

You don't have to share this if you don't want to, but since you got 100% Bush, could you list each of the Dem candidates so we can see how well Bush matches up with each of the Dems?

I'll do it if I can.

I tried guys, but I can't reproduce the same result and they didn't send it to me in my e-mail.  i had to have picked all of the issues perfectly (not hard) and all of the "importance" perfectly (a much harder feat, because that can swing depending on what is in the news and my mood).  All I can tell you is that Liebermann is closest and Gepardt is second, With Kerry near there.  I had 100% Bush and 36% Liebermann (who I was closest to).  Do there is a massive divide between the parties in this election.

That depends on who is doing the test. Leip got Bush and Dean fairly close to each other.

I agree that these things are hard, I usually just do them without thinking too much. I still usually get rather similar results, though.

Not that they are hard, it is just that it is hard to reproduce the exact same results on osme of these things, because my moods and focuses can shift.  I put down the exact same results, but I had different emphasis because the news is different from what it was 2 days ago and because recent disscussions I have had have had different focuses.

Yeah, well that's what I meant...

Ok, I thought that you were trying to imply that I am inconsistant.