Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

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https://www.axios.com/senate-gop-repeal-then-replace-isnt-happening-2450862467.html

They are just throwing **** at the wall at this point.

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They're always "close to a deal". Getting past close and reaching a deal is the problem, which they're not going to solve in this situation. This isn't passing.

Yeah, I like Topher, but he has been saying close to deal for a month now.

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Establishment Democrat position: 28 million uninsured is fine, but 50 million is unacceptable.

What is it with you and the straw man arguments?

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Nice straw man argument, jfern.

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Nice straw man argument, jfern.

So where's the plan?

Dems have wanted to restore the risk corridors that Rubio sabotage, add a public option, and increase the subsides. Just doing those three things could improve the ACA dramatically.

Seriously, they have been talking about this for the last couple of years now.

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Nice straw man argument, jfern.

So where's the plan?

Dems have wanted to restore the risk corridors that Rubio sabotage, add a public option, and increase the subsides. Just doing those three things could improve the ACA dramatically.

Seriously, they have been talking about this for the last couple of years now.

Why didn't they add a public option or even better single payer in the first place? Even single payer might not be far enough. The UK has a national health system, and spends less than half as much per capita as the US. They really should have done healthcare right in the first place, rather than copying some Republican idea. Democrats have had 7 years to come up with a better system, and I don't hear much about it from them, except for the few who are progressive enough to support single payer, which Hillary said would never happen.

Lieberman killed the public option in the senate bill in 2009. Obama let it go because he didn't have enough votes to spare. As for single-payer, they didn't go that route because they aren't stupid. Over 60% of Americans get their health insurance through their employers and most are content with their coverage. Single-payer would have upended that, just look how much grief Obama took when one million of Americans lost their plans after the ACA passage (and the majority of those plans were junk plans!), now imagine the backlash the Democrats would face for kicking people off of their plans, which they like, and slapping on a tax-hike to pay for it? On top of that, there is the whole issue of the impact a single-payer system would have on the health industry in terms of jobs.

The Democrats mistake (besides the lack of a public option) was the subsides were too low in the ACA. It is a pity, they really should have passed the house bill, which was far stronger then the senate bill.

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Sen. Flake comes out in FAVOR of the Cruz amendment. Theory: he knows it won't pass, but can use this to defend himself in the upcoming Republican primary.

Wow, safe D.

lol, Flake's biggest concern is a primary, not the GE.

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Sen. Flake comes out in FAVOR of the Cruz amendment. Theory: he knows it won't pass, but can use this to defend himself in the upcoming Republican primary.

Dont worry...they'll all fold one by one. The GOP has no ethics, principles, or morals. The majority of the party is propped up by monied interests and their going to do as their told to keep getting their money.

Flake was a big never-Trumper and then he folded after Trump ended up winning. Dont't expect any courage from any Republicans. It's all a kabuki theater shell game

Give it a rest.

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They have been close to a deal for three weeks now.

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If this bill goes down, I expect more then 3 no's

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Heller is probably waiting on Sandoval to express his opposition before he will...Heller is trying very hard to just latch himself onto NV's popular GOP governor for dear life.

This makes sense.

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That's the sound of Sandoval saying to Heller. "Heel boy. Now vote no."

Heller is still saying he is "undecided", but I don't buy it. I think he is a "no" and just waiting for someone else to be the third no.

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Good article here on the whip count, and a reminder that there is no such thing as this bill failing by just three. Either it passes with two defections, or it fails/doesn't go to vote with 10+ against.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/13/senate-republicans-health-care-bill-cruz-lee-240498

Yup, if Heller comes out for no.....all hell will break lose.

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Buy offs won't mean anything as long as Sandoval is against the bill.

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Buy offs won't mean anything as long as Sandoval is against the bill.

Muh moderate Republicans will save us

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Did you read the second part of the quote? His primary concern is the expansion, that goes away with this bill.

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If the CBO is bad, Heller and Capito will jump off and kill the bill. If its alot better than the last one, it'll probably pass.

They aren't waiting on the CBO, they are all waiting on Heller.

No one wants to vote for this bill, but no one wants to kill it.

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They are going to have to drastically change the bill or give NV some sort of exemption.

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You forgot the follow up.

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You forgot the follow up.

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I honestly just feel like their gonna cave. The GOP is basically Enron at this point when it comes to ethics and morals

Senate moderate Republicans are cowards, but the resistance from Sandoval is problematic IMO. He is one of the few GOP governors to make the expansion work in his state, and NV ( with KY) is one of the model states when it comes to the ACA. He is also the most popular pol by far in the state.

I just don't see how Heller can vote for this thing as long as Sandoval is against it.

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This administration is a ****ing clown show.

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A GOP senator being sideline with a medical emergency the week before they tried to take away insurance from millions of Americans is poetic justice.

God has one hell of a sense of humor.

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This is coming right out of the meeting with Trump, too.

This bill has been a no go for weeks anyway, Heller was always a guaranteed no vote without significant changes to the Medicaid portion of the bill, he just didn't definitively put his foot down the way Collins and Paul did, but he was never going to be able to get to yes in its current state.

So much for the dealmaker......

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So I'm guessing Trump acted like an ass at the meeting tonight?

I think it is more about Pence, Price, and McConnell lying to GOP senators about the bill.