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Lyin' Steve
SteveMcQueen
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« on: February 10, 2016, 03:36:54 AM »

This was always the problem with her campaign.  The first two states were the least friendly to her.

I despise Hillary as a person but aside from Bloomberg and Kasich she's the candidate I'd feel most comfortable with as president.  The main thing getting me down is these insane margins Sanders has with voters my age.  88-90% margins.  Is this generation really that insane?  I would say I hope they get wiser when they get into the real world and start having to understand how things actually work outside of fantasy-imaginationland, but I can't because voters in their 30s are also heavily favoring Sanders.

New Hampshire was always a terrible state for her though, it's a tiny retail politics state that prides itself on making up its mind late.  Hillary has always been bad at retail politics, its small size let Sanders and his rabid college supporters hit nearly everyone, and Hillary had to endure a brutal media cycle going into it:
  • Bill attacks Sanders:  "The big dog's getting nasty, remember when he blew it for her eight years ago?"
  • The press demanding she release the Goldman Sachs transcripts so they can take things out of context and make her look corrupt
  • More emailgate nonsense
  • Iowa coin flip conspiracy theories being propagated in pop culture, such as Colbert's show and everyone making the joke that Hillary should do the Superbowl coin toss
  • Madeleine Albright and Gloria Steinem's idiotic comments.  This absolutely dominated Clinton's media coverage going into the primaries
  • General stories about "WOW Bernie has a huge lead what does this mean for Hillary?"
So for those 40-50% of people who claimed they didn't make up their mind until the last few days, this was their impression of Hillary.  I listened to political radio and it was all "is it ok for Hillary to get $675K from Goldman Sachs?" and "were Madeleine Albright and Gloria Steinem out of line and what does this mean for Hillary's support among women?"  Meanwhile Bernie was on SNL and getting articles written about his appeal to young voters.
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Lyin' Steve
SteveMcQueen
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2016, 04:13:23 AM »

Also remember Hillary and the party have been treating Sanders with kid gloves so far.  In 2008, Hillary didn't really go ham against Obama until after Super Tuesday when she still hadn't put him away.  This time she has the black community and the party on her side whereas before the black community was on Obama's side as well as a large chunk of the party (Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, etc.)

It's all just the preseason for Clinton so far.  She's doing cheap stuff that can't really hurt her, like identity politics games and criticizing him and his supporters for their negative campaigning.  Iowa was supposed to be a toss-up.  NH was supposed to be heavy Bernie.  What we're expecting next is a string of victories in Nevada, South Carolina, and the Super Tuesday states that should shut Sanders' campaign down for good.  If that doesn't happen, then we'll start with the real attacks, like investigations into Sanders' communist and other far-left connections, his checkered past (especially as a radical revolutionary in the 60s and 70s), any controversies from his tenure as mayor of Burlington, etc.

The Clintons know how to play dirty.  Hillary fought tooth and nail to win the 2008 election, she hasn't come this far to not go twice as hard in 2016.  The fact that she's still barely even trying is in and of itself a reason to think she's still confident.  Case in point, she's going to start focusing on a Black Lives Matter agenda and campaigning with Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner's families.  This should help her against Sanders, but it also helps her in 2016.  She's not burning bridges to kill Sanders here.

In fact, Clinton would probably be perfectly content to keep Sanders alive and beat him 60-40 in most of the remaining states.  When the Sanders squad on campus furiously rushes to register every single college student and push them to go vote for Sanders, they're also registering Hillary voters for the general election.  Assuming Hillary doesn't lose and Sanders doesn't leave a permanent wound as he goes down (virtually impossible with Hillary considering all she's been through), Sanders' continuing presence in the race is a positive for her.
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