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Once again, Trump puts foot firmly in mouth on an issue that could actually win him the election.

Biden may support Bibi to an unhealthy extent, but Trump literally wants to deport protestors which is to me un-American. The choice should be clear to the professional protesting class which is the lesser of two evils.

It's a privilege to receive a student visa not a right.

Not sure what that has to do with my post?

Pretty certain a majority of the protesters are American college students.

Well a lot of them aren't so deport them, you can't just come here burn american flags say death to america and be shocked when your forced to leave.

Most aren't burning flags or saying death to America. Most just oppose America's support of Israel with regard to Gaza. No one should be deported for speaking their mind unless said speech incites violence or such.

Well they are, a lot of them are advocating violence against ""zionists" and are saying there a need for a global intifada or being violent against counter-protestors, so again my point still stand they should be deported or at the least investigated.

Investigate, sure. Deport without, no. I say this as someone who had a roommate who is considered a Muslim radical, btw.

Did he participate in encampments or join protests openly celebrating a terrorist attack on our ally. Any person who does that on a student visa should have their student visa stripped from them regardless of what they were protesting for.

The average American will either not care or outright support Trump removing foreign students who are Palestinian protestors. Even a lot of younger voters are mixed, may sympathize with both sides, see reasons for Israel conducting this war but dislike Bibi and think he is overdoing it.

None of these protestors getting arrested care one bit about the stars and stripes. We don't need people in here who are either chanting "death to America" or telling us how terrible the country and the need to dismantle our system. The goal of our university system is to strengthen the country by promoting our ideals through education, not provide wannabe despots with tools to be used against us.

And let's face it, within this movement there are plenty of Stalinist types who if given an opportunity would commit unspeakable crimes. Read their literature and websites and you will quickly realize this is not a peaceful movement. All it will take is one major act of violence and Marc Lamont Hill and other Stalinists' academic careers will come to a very end per federal legislation ($$$ will be cut off).

Military numbers up.

Bumping since this came up recently.

Barrett. I don't expect 2024 to be a very D-friendly year in Michigan. Thanks for nothing, Rashida.

She's literally Palestinian-American. I'm not sure what people want from her. "Yes, I'm going to endorse a guy who is committing genocide of my ancestral people?" If Biden came to your house and killed your family members, and then ask you for your vote, would you look at that as anything but literal insanity? Biden had the power to end this whole situation a long time ago, Tlaib never has it for one day. Go ahead, strip her of her committees, the power that her constituents who elected her gave her. Atlas lost its sense over this issue a long time ago. Goodness gracious.

Who cares

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Furthermore, the word "genocide" has sort of become a byword in our discourse for the ultimate evil. This isn't true at all. There's no hierarchy here with war crimes and then crimes against humanity and then genocide at the top. Genocide is a specific legal term defined in the Genocide Convention, it's not meant to define the absolute evil. Just because Israel isn't committing a genocide doesn't mean we shouldn't be outraged. I do not believe Israel is committing a genocide, yet still I am outraged! No more bombing of Gaza, no more invasion of Rafah, cease-fire immediately!

The problem is that Hamas refuses to release the hostages alive. Should Israel just give up on them?

I don’t necessarily buy that Hamas has to be removed from power militarily- after all, only a suicidal Ukraine  would support military action to remove the Russian government because of their invasion of Ukraine- but at the same time, anything less than a full defeat of the Nazis was considered the only acceptable outcome during WW2.

I continue to believe that negotiation is the only way to free the hostages, it may require concessions but it's the only way that doesn't result in the death of the hostages and thousands more of Gazan civilians. I believe that ideally, Hamas would be removed from power, it is, after all, the only way to resurrect a two-state solution, but the current Israeli government has no intention to pursue this solution. My perspective is that Israel has no idea how to, or no intention to, construct a lasting peace in the region, so the overwhelming majority of the present violence (which is caused by the IDF) must be brought to an end via a humanitarian cease-fire. I'll put it like this, we need a total and complete shutdown on the war until we can figure out what the hell is going on.

I don’t think you can have an end to this round of fighting until Hamas is crushed and completely out of power in Gaza permanently and Deif as well as both of the Sinwar brothers are dead.  You can certainly do a temporary humanitarian ceasefire before then, but definitely not a long-term or permanent shutdown of the war.  

Also, I disagree that the present violence is being caused primarily by the IDF.  At the end of the day, this is ultimately a defensive war caused by Hamas’ unprovoked campaign of rape, murder, and kidnapping against Israeli civilians on 10/7.  There is no equivalency there.

Sorry, it's not tenable to blame Hamas for what's going on right now. Yes, October 7th was an atrocity and a crime against humanity, yes Hamas cares nothing for the people of Gaza, yes they use human shields, yes Israel had a right to respond to some of the most reprehensible terror we've seen in the region. But it's Israel that has the power to end this carnage we're witnessing in front of us. What we are witnessing in the news is squarely the responsibility of the IDF. The power differential is massive here. Israel has proven that they have neither a plan to continue this war that does not involve the continued killing of the civilians, or a plan for peace to guarantee the long term safety of all peoples.

As for the idea that the war cannot end before Hamas is removed from power, I agree in theory (the removal of Hamas from Gaza is essential to any long term peace plan), but in practice Israel has lost all credibility, so it's impossible to hold this position with a straight face. The Israeli government has no intention to install a viable Palestinian government in Gaza, in fact they have no plan whatsoever for what Gaza is going to look like when the fighting stops. There are politically significant voices in the Israeli government calling for the wholesale ethnic cleansing of Gaza. So now I'm supposed to just trust Israel to continue this war until "Hamas is crushed"? No thanks, I'm not a fool. Not to mention the perverse incentives for the Israeli government to continue this war to forestall a general election. While all of this happens, more and more civilians will die. Absolutely not. Trust in Israel's decision-making is gone, gone.

There are conditions where I would support a war to oust Hamas from Gaza, but we aren't remotely approaching that.

People with Iron Maiden, Metallica, Led Zeppelin, Blink-182, and Green Day tattoos went 70% Biden to 30% Trump; all the rest went 60% Trump to 40% Biden.

Iron Maiden, Led Zeppelin, and Metallica fans definitely lean to Trump along with Slayer fans. Middle aged white dudes are staunch Republicans and they make up the hulk of those bands fanbases.

Oh, I know. I was just saying that to rile up BRTD.

Speaking of Nikki Haley, Trump is blowing her wet kisses.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-says-nikki-haley-is-going-to-be-on-our-team-in-some-form/

Bet you green money if he's elected he names her Sec of State

He'll string her along for that position like he did Romney, thennpick someone else.

Pretty sure that is what Haley thinks too.  It will be either VP nominee Haley or nothing.

FF, with the potential to be a MASSIVE FF.