GA-06 and SC-05 election day & results thread

[OSR stands with Israel]

I knew something like this was coming. Republicans gerrymander. Everyone does. Not one gives a s*** about fairness when you can give your party control of the country.

The Democrat party gerrymandered us from the 1960s thru 1994 and they are squealing when we retaliate.

There was an article from the 1980 how the Dems gerrymandering saved them from losing the house

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Implying you can't both run a issues campaign AND have the solution to those issues be socialististic in nature.

Democrats need to come up with a comprehensive agenda/manifesto; with REAL detailed policies and not just empty platitudes like "bring back the jobs". Give people a signal that the Democrats learned something from 2016, instead of just hoping that people finally hate Trump enough to hand Congress over to Democrats.

There are millions of people in this country, especially young people and minorities, who are natural voters for the Democrats but will never bother to vote because the party does absof***inglutely nothing for them but still acts like they have a DUTY to vote Dem. Chase these votes instead of the votes of some rich assholes who moved his family into the suburbs the moment he saw a black family move onto the same street as him. These people are the worst in America, and they should stay in the GOP where they belong.

Exactly.

It's as dumb as the naysayers 40 years ago who didn't believe welfare gutters "chasing Goldwater" could actually win when Ford couldn't and Carter just won and Nixon went out. All it takes is one charismatic guy to say "there you go again" against a less charismatic opponent.

Or more recently, Scott Walker, Paul LePage, and Rick Snyder and even Tom Corbett all flipped blue states in 2010 with none of this moderation bs. Staunchly far-right and unapologetic and they won because they seemed to have the issues down according to voters. They fell rather quickly though in office and it took dog-whistling and incompetent counter campaigns running on similar ideas to Ossoff to get re-elected...well except for Tom Corbett, he got rightfully taken out.

Thats not true , by 1979 Reagan was the odds on favorite to win the Republican nomination

Also Reagan was the favorite in the general long before the debate: https://highered.nbclearn.com/portal/site/HigherEd/flatview?cuecard=3252



Who do the dems have that can be Reagan , I dont see anybody they have who can(either too old or no where near as charismatic to win the nomination)

Also remember Reagan came from the governors office not the senate. When you look at who the dems have at the governor bench who can be their Reagan, you cant find any body but Jerry Brown who is way too old to run in 2020.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Implying you can't both run a issues campaign AND have the solution to those issues be socialististic in nature.

Democrats need to come up with a comprehensive agenda/manifesto; with REAL detailed policies and not just empty platitudes like "bring back the jobs". Give people a signal that the Democrats learned something from 2016, instead of just hoping that people finally hate Trump enough to hand Congress over to Democrats.

There are millions of people in this country, especially young people and minorities, who are natural voters for the Democrats but will never bother to vote because the party does absof***inglutely nothing for them but still acts like they have a DUTY to vote Dem. Chase these votes instead of the votes of some rich assholes who moved his family into the suburbs the moment he saw a black family move onto the same street as him. These people are the worst in America, and they should stay in the GOP where they belong.

Exactly.

It's as dumb as the naysayers 40 years ago who didn't believe welfare gutters "chasing Goldwater" could actually win when Ford couldn't and Carter just won and Nixon went out. All it takes is one charismatic guy to say "there you go again" against a less charismatic opponent.

Or more recently, Scott Walker, Paul LePage, and Rick Snyder and even Tom Corbett all flipped blue states in 2010 with none of this moderation bs. Staunchly far-right and unapologetic and they won because they seemed to have the issues down according to voters. They fell rather quickly though in office and it took dog-whistling and incompetent counter campaigns running on similar ideas to Ossoff to get re-elected...well except for Tom Corbett, he got rightfully taken out.

Thats not true , by 1979 Reagan was the odds on favorite to win the Republican nomination

Also Reagan was the favorite in the general long before the debate: https://highered.nbclearn.com/portal/site/HigherEd/flatview?cuecard=3252



Who do the dems have that can be Reagan , I dont see anybody they have who can(either too old or no where near as charismatic to win the nomination)

Also remember Reagan came from the governors office not the senate. When you look at who the dems have at the governor bench who can be their Reagan, you cant find any body but Jerry Brown who is way too old to run in 2020.

I wasn't talking about Reagan specifically, though he plays a part. I was talking about the general direction the party started going after Carter won '76.

And the office from whence they come doesn't matter, it's the ideological drive and charisma that does.

Then tell me who do thrks have who can be their reagan



From senators these are the ones who ideolgically could be Dems Reagan

Warren : Too uncharasmatic , and don't know if she has ability to win WWC voters

Bernie : too old

Sherrod Brown : prob their best shot , but doesn't have the experience to get progressive policies through (while Reagan due to being governor did )


For the governors :


Jerry Brown: too old

Steve Bullock : not a known figure

[OSR stands with Israel]

Reagan was a drooling senile war criminal who traded arms for hostages and America's social safety net for tax cuts. So maybe we shouldn't aspire to that.

But that wasn't how the base saw him now was it?

So what do you think about my last reply and told why each of those candidates can't be the Dems Reagan

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Reagan didn't change anything. Look at the vast stretch of counties Dukakis and Clinton won that are now Tea Party strongholds.

Nixon and Reagan clearly forced the Democrats to abandon much of their New Deal Rooseveltian ideology going into the late 70's all the way to today. Bill Clinton wouldn't have decided to end welfare as we know it, cut capital gains taxes, tough on crime laws, NAFTA, deregulation, etc. if it weren't for these men laying the groundwork for a powerful rightward shift in our politics.

Bill Clinton is a large part of the reason why Democrats are in the sad state that they are in today.  You had a Democrat who basically gave up on the populist issues that helped Democrats win all over the country in exchange for corporatist policies like NAFTA, deregulation, and capital gains tax cuts (as well as unpopular social policies like gun control) that allowed him to gain high income suburbanites (who often vote gop downballot). 

Clinton decided to trade the dem advantage in congress and at the state level for the advantage of the whitehouse. So Clinton did help them when it comes to presidential elections .