Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

[Matty]

The polling swings posted above are even more interested when you consider that in the mid 2000s, there was pretty large support as well. Then it swing against in the early 2010s.

It likely ebbs and flows based on legislation.

I'd love to see what would happen to those numbers if single payer actually gets to congressional floors, and CBO numbers come out regarding cost and whatnot. 

[Gass3268]

Vox has an interesting article on shifting American attitudes on the government and health care.  Using data from Gallup and Pew polls, they found a huge swing in just the last four years.  On the question of  whether it's the federal government's responsibility to ensure that all Americans have health coverage, the results were:

2013: 42/56 (-14)
2014: 47/50 (-3)
2015: 51/47 (+4)
2016: 51/46 (+5)
2017: 60/39 (+21)

That's a net change of +16 in the last year, and an astonishing +35 over four years.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/16/16158918/voxcare-poll-government-run-health-care

Because the media literally straight up lies and people are getting desensitized to it...

Well, it also helps that Donald Trump essentially made the promise that everyone should have health care, something no other Republican would have done.

[Beet]

Vox has an interesting article on shifting American attitudes on the government and health care.  Using data from Gallup and Pew polls, they found a huge swing in just the last four years.  On the question of  whether it's the federal government's responsibility to ensure that all Americans have health coverage, the results were:

2013: 42/56 (-14)
2014: 47/50 (-3)
2015: 51/47 (+4)
2016: 51/46 (+5)
2017: 60/39 (+21)

That's a net change of +16 in the last year, and an astonishing +35 over four years.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/16/16158918/voxcare-poll-government-run-health-care

Because the media literally straight up lies and people are getting desensitized to it...

Well, it also helps that Donald Trump essentially made the promise that everyone should have health care, something no other Republican would have done.

It seems like this is just a return to where the polls were in the 2000s- under the Bush presidency. It seems that voters just instinctively react to whichever party's fortunes are doing well. We used to have a poster here named Sam Spade who said that health care reform was something the Democrats should campaign on every time, but never actually enact. I think this is what he meant.

[Person Man]

Vox has an interesting article on shifting American attitudes on the government and health care.  Using data from Gallup and Pew polls, they found a huge swing in just the last four years.  On the question of  whether it's the federal government's responsibility to ensure that all Americans have health coverage, the results were:

2013: 42/56 (-14)
2014: 47/50 (-3)
2015: 51/47 (+4)
2016: 51/46 (+5)
2017: 60/39 (+21)

That's a net change of +16 in the last year, and an astonishing +35 over four years.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/16/16158918/voxcare-poll-government-run-health-care

Because the media literally straight up lies and people are getting desensitized to it...

Well, it also helps that Donald Trump essentially made the promise that everyone should have health care, something no other Republican would have done.

It seems like this is just a return to where the polls were in the 2000s- under the Bush presidency. It seems that voters just instinctively react to whichever party's fortunes are doing well. We used to have a poster here named Sam Spade who said that health care reform was something the Democrats should campaign on every time, but never actually enact. I think this is what he meant.

Basically abortion for Democrats?

[GeorgiaModerate]

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[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

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Well, yes, if they wanted to do it as part of Fiscal 2017. But after they pass a budget for Fiscal 2018, they could use reconciliation under that budget to get ObamaCare repeal. Of course, this would mean they couldn't use reconciliation for tax reform until Fiscal 2019.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Vox has an interesting article on shifting American attitudes on the government and health care.  Using data from Gallup and Pew polls, they found a huge swing in just the last four years.  On the question of  whether it's the federal government's responsibility to ensure that all Americans have health coverage, the results were:

2013: 42/56 (-14)
2014: 47/50 (-3)
2015: 51/47 (+4)
2016: 51/46 (+5)
2017: 60/39 (+21)

That's a net change of +16 in the last year, and an astonishing +35 over four years.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/16/16158918/voxcare-poll-government-run-health-care

People tend to support the status quo and oppose changing things. Obamacare is now the status quo, but it didn't used to be a couple of years ago.

[Badger]

Vox has an interesting article on shifting American attitudes on the government and health care.  Using data from Gallup and Pew polls, they found a huge swing in just the last four years.  On the question of  whether it's the federal government's responsibility to ensure that all Americans have health coverage, the results were:

2013: 42/56 (-14)
2014: 47/50 (-3)
2015: 51/47 (+4)
2016: 51/46 (+5)
2017: 60/39 (+21)

That's a net change of +16 in the last year, and an astonishing +35 over four years.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/16/16158918/voxcare-poll-government-run-health-care

People tend to support the status quo and oppose changing things. Obamacare is now the status quo, but it didn't used to be a couple of years ago.

I don't think that's all, though. Keystone Phil once made a good post when Obamacare was at least a year or three old and floundering in unpopularity, saying "Weren't we supposed to like this thing by now?" Obamacare was the status quo for years through 2016, and largely unpopular.

It was only when it faced repeal and "replacement" with essentially f$#k-all that people began to appreciate it.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

The public is interested in a replacement for ObamaCare that is actually a (somewhat) satisfactory replacement. I imagine something like the Hickenlooper/Kasich plan or maybe the Cassidy/Collins plan would poll fairly well. What they're not interested in is a plan that kills up to 32 million people. But since republicans are only offering a replacement that kills up to 32 million people, people are rallying behind the Status Quo, as a sort of "better than the alternative" sort of thing.

[The Dowager Mod]

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/349462-mccain-backs-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal-effort?
Looks like Mc Cain is flipping.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Is there a CBO score for Graham/Cassidy?

[Brittain33]

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/349462-mccain-backs-graham-cassidy-obamacare-repeal-effort?
Looks like Mc Cain is flipping.

Meh. Graham-Cassidy is the kind of bill I would expect him to support. His no vote on the other bill was because it was a flaming train wreck everyone else was too afraid to stop.

[7,052,770]

Putting health care reform in the hands of state legislators is a horrible idea.

[Ebsy]

Graham-Cassidy is an abomination that thankfully has little chance of passage.

[The Other Castro]

Rand Paul is a No on Graham-Cassidy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/randpaul/status/908675484493516800

[Person Man]

Rand Paul is a No on Graham-Cassidy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/randpaul/status/908675484493516800

Moving along...
This basically makes it DOA.

[Doimper]

Rand Paul is a No on Graham-Cassidy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/randpaul/status/908675484493516800

Moving along...
This basically makes it DOA.

The Do-Nothing Congress.

[Gustaf]

Is it actually dead?

[Tintrlvr]

Is it actually dead?

They could in theory pull something together in the next two weeks, but no signs of that happening. They need reconciliation for tax cuts next FY so can't use it for Trumpcare.

[The Other Castro]

Is it actually dead?

Until October 1 it's only mostly dead, and mostly dead is slightly alive.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

Is it actually dead?

Maybe. I wouldn't completely rule out Paul, or even Murkowski, eventually getting to yes.

[tallguy23]

I wouldn't doubt them passing something, but it won't be easy. Most people are over healthcare reform and want to move on.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

A few points of importance from here: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/17/obamacare-senate-republicans-repeal-242821

- McConnell will only bring up Graham-Cassidy if there are 50+ definite votes for the legislation. This means there will be no telling people "Just vote for the motion to begin debate and you can vote no on final passage later.", no late night whipping on CSPAN2, and no uncertainty during the process. If it's certain McConnell has 50+ votes, he'll bring it up, otherwise, it won't receive a second of discussion in the full senate.

- No vote this week due to the CBO needing more time to score it and the senate's limited schedule. If a vote happens, it will be during the week of September 25-30.

- If it passes the senate, the house must pass it as is or not at all, due to the extremely limited timetable.

[Person Man]

A few points of importance from here: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/17/obamacare-senate-republicans-repeal-242821

- McConnell will only bring up Graham-Cassidy if there are 50+ definite votes for the legislation. This means there will be no telling people "Just vote for the motion to begin debate and you can vote no on final passage later.", no late night whipping on CSPAN2, and no uncertainty during the process. If it's certain McConnell has 50+ votes, he'll bring it up, otherwise, it won't receive a second of discussion in the full senate.

- No vote this week due to the CBO needing more time to score it and the senate's limited schedule. If a vote happens, it will be during the week of September 25-30.

- If it passes the senate, the house must pass it as is or not at all, due to the extremely limited timetable.

So, this is a dead of night thing?

[BudgieForce]

So apparently Rand Paul and Susan Collins are already no votes? If true, I dont see Murkowski supporting this either.