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SteveRogers
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« on: May 25, 2015, 12:15:06 AM »


4. For the courts to undermine the will of the people specifically expressed through their legislatures or through voter referendum to codify traditional marriage as the only acceptable marriage in said state is a stain on the very courts themselves


Sigh. You don't actually believe this. You only espouse this view of the courts with regards to marriage. If the courts overturn a gun control law or campaign finance law with popular support on constitutional grounds, you don't bat an eyelash and you don't claim that the courts have somehow subverted democracy. This is not a counterargument to the reasoning of the court decisions you're talking about.
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SteveRogers
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2015, 08:43:55 PM »

So you're saying that your position on this issue is materially shaped by your perception of how nice people are to you about it? That if you don't feel properly catered to, you're comfortable with fighting tooth and nail to keep an entire population from enjoying this right?

Super principled, dude.

Well, many people say their position in support of SSM was based on the increased visibility of gays.  My opposition was.

Do you understand how utterly disgusting that sounds? You oppose gay rights because in the modern world you are forced to acknowledge the reality that gay people exist?

When a straight man introduces you to his girlfriend, do you feel that they are putting their sexuality in your face? When a straight couple walks down that street holding hands, how is that not "flaunting" under your logic? When you pick up a magazine and see an article about straight weddings, do you complain about being harassed by the heterosexual agenda?

What you're saying is that it offends you when gay people act like normal human beings. 
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SteveRogers
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2015, 07:05:02 PM »

If two straight people kiss in Chelsea or the Castro, nobody is going to scream at them or attack them.  That could absolutely happen to two gay people in many, many places around America.

San Francisco bar owner in the Castro demanded straight people stop kissing. http://youtu.be/Cdt-KqccS2Y

You're kind of missing the point entirely. Do you or do you not understand that it is the norm for straight couples to show affection for one another in public? Furthermore, do you have a problem with straight couples showing affection for one another in public?
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SteveRogers
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2015, 10:25:17 PM »

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Does that excuse what happened in the Castro?

You're being deliberately obtuse on this point. Do you or do you not get offended when straight couples show affection in public?
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SteveRogers
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2015, 10:34:46 PM »

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If it's overt I absolutely do.  But it's far less common.

It's not necessarily "offensive" to me. It's more just uncomfortable with.

And yet you've hijacked zero threads to rant and rave about the heterosexual agenda being thrown in your face even though pop culture and daily life are much more saturated with depictions of "straight love" and "straight propaganda." Hmmm...
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2015, 11:35:43 PM »

Sure there is. One routinely has street parades and blocks traffic for it. One does not.

The occasional parade vs. the entirety of film, television, magazines, music, etc.?
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