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« on: April 24, 2024, 09:00:02 AM »

The wonderful Jeremy Corbyn calling for peaceful resolutions around the world, not just in Gaza but in countries suffering castrophes as Sudan. This is the leadership all Western leaders should be calling for, not more bloodthirsty warmonging.

Quote from: Jeremy Corbyn
“The protagonists of 1914 were sleepwalkers, watchful but unseeing, haunted by dreams, yet blind to the reality of the horror they were about to bring into the world.”

Christopher Clark’s The Sleepwalkers retells the story of the outbreak of the first world war. Mapping a multipolar world enthralled by imperialism and paranoia, Clark refuses to pin the blame on a single power. Instead, he explains how political leaders narrowed the prospects for peace one misstep at a time, and sleepwalked into a global catastrophe that left around 20 million people dead.

Today, once more, our political leaders are stumbling through crisis after crisis to convince themselves that war is the only solution. The principal difference is that this time they are not sleepwalking into war. They are doing so with their eyes wide open.

For months, millions of us have demonstrated for a ceasefire in Gaza to stop the loss of life, end the perpetual cycle of violence and prevent a wider escalation. We have been ignored, maligned and demonised. Last week, Israel conducted missile strikes against Iran in a fast-widening conflict across the Middle East. Even without the involvement of more global players, the human, economic and environmental consequences of all-out war with Iran would be catastrophic for the entire world.

We need not imagine the worst-case scenario in order to put the brakes on. As the Israeli government weighed up its options in response to Iran’s attack on 14 April, bombs continued to fall on Palestinians in Gaza. Over the past few months, human beings have been forced to endure a level of horror that should haunt us for ever. Entire families have been wiped out – and survivors will face lifelong mental health consequences for generations to come. Neighbourhoods have been completely obliterated, strewn with corpses and limbs. Doctors are performing amputations without anaesthesia. Children are gathering sticks and leaves from the ground and fashioning “bread” from animal feed to stay alive. If the unfolding genocide of the Palestinian people does not already constitute a worst-case scenario, what does?

Many of us have spent our entire lives defending human rights for everyone, everywhere, often in the face of great opposition. Our critics know this. What they really oppose is our desire to build a more equal, sustainable and peaceful world for all.

Real security isn’t destroying your neighbour, it’s getting on with your neighbour. It’s having enough food on the table, a roof over your head, and a sustainable planet. Political leaders may take pride in their militaristic jingoism, knowing that it’s somebody else’s children who will pay the price. The truth is, however, that their thirst for war is endangering us all. If our politicians care about the legacy they leave behind, they may want to ask themselves: if they fail to pave a path to peace, who will be around to remember them?


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/23/leaders-war-gaza-jeremy-corbyn
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2024, 09:10:27 AM »

Stop giving this deluded man a platform. Just like Truss he seems to believe the only way to exist is to double down.
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2024, 09:20:17 AM »

Stop giving this deluded man a platform. Just like Truss he seems to believe the only way to exist is to double down.

Corbyn is the only honest leader Labour had in a long time. He was taking the party back from the neoliberal Blarities who have havoc the working class as much as the Torries. If Corbyn were elected the United Kingdom would be in more staple condition now
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2024, 09:24:32 AM »

Stop giving this deluded man a platform. Just like Truss he seems to believe the only way to exist is to double down.

Corbyn is the only honest leader Labour had in a long time. He was taking the party back from the neoliberal Blarities who have havoc the working class as much as the Torries. If Corbyn were elected the United Kingdom would be in more staple condition now
He got wrecked by Boris freaking Johnson when the economy was getting killed by Brexit
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2024, 09:37:42 AM »

Stop giving this deluded man a platform. Just like Truss he seems to believe the only way to exist is to double down.

Corbyn is the only honest leader Labour had in a long time. He was taking the party back from the neoliberal Blarities who have havoc the working class as much as the Torries. If Corbyn were elected the United Kingdom would be in more staple condition now
He got wrecked by Boris freaking Johnson when the economy was getting killed by Brexit

Huh
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2024, 09:40:17 AM »

Stop giving this deluded man a platform. Just like Truss he seems to believe the only way to exist is to double down.

Corbyn is the only honest leader Labour had in a long time. He was taking the party back from the neoliberal Blarities who have havoc the working class as much as the Torries. If Corbyn were elected the United Kingdom would be in more staple condition now


Guess what, I would also be an anti-Blairite, and I’m pro-self-determination of Palestine, including immediate recognition of it, but that doesn’t mean that I delude myself into thinking “US Imperialism” is the root of all evils, and that somehow Iran, Russia and China are not reactionary, ultra-nationalistic states that oppress their minorities (a lot more than Israel does) all thinking this just out of pure anti-US, or anti-Western hatred.  

These horrible foreign policy views keep hijacking any credibility a non-elitist Left has of gaining ground anywhere, because average people associate them rightly with crankish, conspiratorial views, and believe that cranks shouldn’t govern their public services.

If it weren’t for the fact that Corbyn is old I’d think he’s a psyop. Instead it’s just that he hasn’t grown up from his 1980s days. I’m starting to think people like Mélenchon or the Podemos crew are definitely psy ops though, deliberately funded to destroy social democratic politics in their respective countries.

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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2024, 11:48:14 AM »

Stop giving this deluded man a platform. Just like Truss he seems to believe the only way to exist is to double down.

Corbyn is the only honest leader Labour had in a long time. He was taking the party back from the neoliberal Blarities who have havoc the working class as much as the Torries. If Corbyn were elected the United Kingdom would be in more staple condition now
He got wrecked by Boris freaking Johnson when the economy was getting killed by Brexit

Huh

The economy hadn't really been killed at that point, but the fact is he still lost to Boris Johnson.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2024, 11:52:06 AM »

Can’t believe Corbyn is still being taken seriously by anyone. Few people have done more to discredit left-wing politics in recent history.
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2024, 12:21:50 PM »

Just a comprehensively evil man who got as far as he did because of his skill at gaslighting. It's still working, apparently.

Also, posting Corbyn in any positive context anymore is a dogwhistle of epic proportions.
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2024, 08:16:00 AM »

As ever, your take on Corbyn is a fanciful caricature that does you little credit.

The real tragedy of the man is that he was presented with a tremendous opportunity by the 2017 GE result (and no, it was far from all the doing of others - even if that was a significant factor) and then proceeded to comprehensively blow it.

And he is maybe proof that just having your heart basically in the right place, or being in favour of on the face of it unequivocally good things like "peace", is not in itself enough to succeed. You need some political *strategy* to deal with all the powerful forces that will inevitably be hostile, and the equally foreseeable instances when the real world makes implementing your laudable goals more problematic.

He will certainly provide future historians with much of interest to study, that at least is for sure.
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2024, 07:01:21 PM »

As ever, your take on Corbyn is a fanciful caricature that does you little credit.

The real tragedy of the man is that he was presented with a tremendous opportunity by the 2017 GE result (and no, it was far from all the doing of others - even if that was a significant factor) and then proceeded to comprehensively blow it.

And he is maybe proof that just having your heart basically in the right place, or being in favour of on the face of it unequivocally good things like "peace", is not in itself enough to succeed. You need some political *strategy* to deal with all the powerful forces that will inevitably be hostile, and the equally foreseeable instances when the real world makes implementing your laudable goals more problematic.

He will certainly provide future historians with much of interest to study, that at least is for sure.

He won’t even be a footnote in history
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2024, 04:49:18 AM »

Again, you exaggerate due to your personal dislike of the man. The 2015-20 period in Labour party history, and not least the 2017 GE, are going to prove fascinating ground for future chroniclers.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2024, 01:31:31 PM »

corbyn is a damn commie, if he loves the russkis, red chinese, and iranians so much he should just move there !
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2024, 12:12:29 AM »

He should go talk to his friends from Hezbollah and his friends from Hamas, they seem to care about peace a lot.
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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2024, 11:51:16 AM »

Again, you exaggerate due to your personal dislike of the man. The 2015-20 period in Labour party history, and not least the 2017 GE, are going to prove fascinating ground for future chroniclers.

Not really, he’s already being forgotten
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2024, 02:14:36 PM »

He should go talk to his friends from Hezbollah and his friends from Hamas, they seem to care about peace a lot.

What friends?

How about the government of Israel just stops bombing innocent civilians and call for a ceasefire. So far they are going to plan to invade Rafah pretty soon amidst the tensions.
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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2024, 02:41:06 PM »

He should go talk to his friends from Hezbollah and his friends from Hamas, they seem to care about peace a lot.

What friends?

How about the government of Israel just stops bombing innocent civilians and call for a ceasefire. So far they are going to plan to invade Rafah pretty soon amidst the tensions.

You really haven't gotten that there is no force on Earth that will stop the war before the hostages are returned alive, have you?
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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2024, 03:00:53 PM »

What's Neil Kinnock's view?
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2024, 03:11:55 PM »


That Corbyn is a useless waste of oxygen.
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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2024, 03:52:59 PM »



Plagiarize the views of the current president in the oval office.
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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2024, 07:06:30 PM »

I think we all want peace, but in order to attain it different factions need to agree to some sort of resolution being upheld in practice. It's why the term is a punchline in beauty pageants. World peace = unattainable.
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2024, 10:26:40 PM »

Corbyn is the only person worthy of being PM in the UK.
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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2024, 01:34:05 AM »

The wonderful Jeremy Corbyn calling for peaceful resolutions around the world, not just in Gaza but in countries suffering castrophes as Sudan. This is the leadership all Western leaders should be calling for, not more bloodthirsty warmonging.

Serious question for you.

Suppose tomorrow you decide to go outside for a walk. You go out the door and make your way to the street. As you go out to the street you notice there's a guy a litttle ways down the street, but you initially think nothing of it.

You walk down the street a little bit, and then you turn around, and notice that the guy is following you close behind. Moreover, you notice that his fist is swinging towards you, and you notice that it has arrived smack in the middle of your face, and hits your nose.

You feel a sharp stinging sensation of pain, but you maintain your composure, and call for peace. You call to the guy for a peaceful resolution, not more bloodthirsty warmonging, and ask him to not punch you again, and suggest that you should be friends.

However, the guy appears not to be interested in your call for peace, and instead he says "haha no, I want to punch you again because I feel like it, or frankly, just for any reason or even no reason at all."

You see him raise his fist and swing it towards you, and once again it lands in the middle of your face. Your nose starts to bleed.

What's your next move?
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« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2024, 04:42:18 AM »

I once had the opportunity to push Corbyn onto the tracks at an Underground station.
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« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2024, 05:00:03 AM »

Shut up and go away, old man. You had the opportunity of a lifetime to resurrect Britain's left wing, and you f**ked it up so badly because of your own stupidity. I used to defend you all the time and now you've made me feel like a horrible person for doing so.
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