Italian Referendums - 12/13 June 2011

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, seems the Lega is still at 10%. Hopefully their votes start shrinking as they keep supporting the government.

[Iannis]

The first poll since the referenda results...

PD/SeL/Verdi/IdV/PSI/Radicali - 42.5%

PdL/LN - 39%

NPI (FLI/UdC/ApI/MpA) - 13%


I'm shocked that the PdL and Lega Nord aren't polling much worse. I guess it's important to remember that this is still Italy.   It looks like Fini, Casini and Rutelli will really be the kingmakers. Even though the numbers aren't that horrible for the coalition, Berlusconi's approval rating is still terrible at 29%.

Actually this poll doesn't consider minor allies of the center-right, so about 2%. In any case other polls indicate a larger gap, even 10%, but also in this case the minor parties are not considered so it would be better to say that the gap is 7-8%.
In 2005 after the defeat at regional elections center-right was 10% behind in some polls, and one year later the gap was 0. Also because in these moments a big role is played by "shy tory factor" in the polls.

[SPQR]

PDL 27,5%
Lega 9,5%
Others 2%

Total "center-right" = 39%

I guess that 2% is already considered,look at Repubblica.it ...

[Iannis]

That's true. And it's IPR, and considering FDS inthe center-left the gap is 5%. At the end of may 2005 the poll that said the the gap was 10% was exactly IPR for Repubblica indeed.

[SPQR]

That's true. And it's IPR, and considering FDS inthe center-left the gap is 5%. At the end of may 2005 the poll that said the the gap was 10% was exactly IPR for Repubblica indeed.

It's not 2005 anymore though...things,as in economy+Italians+Berlusconi,change.

[Iannis]

That's true. And it's IPR, and considering FDS inthe center-left the gap is 5%. At the end of may 2005 the poll that said the the gap was 10% was exactly IPR for Repubblica indeed.

It's not 2005 anymore though...things,as in economy+Italians+Berlusconi,change.

Eheh We'll see. We'll see.

[Tender Branson]

Another poll out:

[Antonio the Sixth]

Left : 47.2%
Right : 37.3%
"Third Pole" : 9.5%

Excellent numbers, all the more considering what it would look like if the Lega were weaker or broke the alliance.

[Tender Branson]

Left : 47.2%
Right : 37.3%
"Third Pole" : 9.5%

Excellent numbers, all the more considering what it would look like if the Lega were weaker or broke the alliance.

Isn't the M5S also a center-leftist organisation ?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Left : 47.2%
Right : 37.3%
"Third Pole" : 9.5%

Excellent numbers, all the more considering what it would look like if the Lega were weaker or broke the alliance.

Isn't the M5S also a center-leftist organisation ?

In theory, yes. But it isn't allied with the PD and Beppe Grillo spends the same amount of time criticizing the left than the right. It's mostly a loony outfit than anything.

[Keystone Phil]

Left : 47.2%
Right : 37.3%
"Third Pole" : 9.5%

Excellent numbers, all the more considering what it would look like if the Lega were weaker or broke the alliance.

But it looks like they won't be breaking the alliance...for now. I read that Bossi is pledging his support to the government but is calling for tax cuts, withdrawal from Libya and movement of four government ministries from Rome to the north. The last demand seems to be the most interesting (and not in a good way). Any chance it will happen?

Also, any idea what happened at the rally concerning shouts of secession? I couldn't figure out if the article was saying that Bossi was shouting "secession" or the crowd. I could see the crowd shouting it at each annual rally but it seems like Bossi, despite his incredible asinine nature, has backed away from calls for a break away.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Actually given... er... everything going on right now... the first of those has the greatest potential to be utterly explosive.

[Keystone Phil]

Actually given... er... everything going on right now... the first of those has the greatest potential to be utterly explosive.

The first of what?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Actually given... er... everything going on right now... the first of those has the greatest potential to be utterly explosive.

The first of what?

Professional corrupt goon Bossi's wish list.

[Keystone Phil]

Actually given... er... everything going on right now... the first of those has the greatest potential to be utterly explosive.

The first of what?

Professional corrupt goon Bossi's wish list.

Well, I would guess that the "utterly explosive" tax cut would be the item he is most likely to get.

[Keystone Phil]

The Mayor of Rome and Governor of Lazio (both members of the PdL) have thankfully pushed back against Bossi's demands to move four ministries to the north. Here's hoping that more PdL leaders tell Bossi to shove it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Actually given... er... everything going on right now... the first of those has the greatest potential to be utterly explosive.

The first of what?

Professional corrupt goon Bossi's wish list.

Well, I would guess that the "utterly explosive" tax cut would be the item he is most likely to get.

Well, if even Tremonti say's we can't do that, I guess it means it would be really insane. Of course, it wouldn't be the first insanity they do...

[TheGlobalizer]

Who's arguing for tax cuts in Italy?  Most of the Italians I spoke to when I was there were absolutely giddy and joyous about the idea of being taxed.  :-D

[Keystone Phil]

Who's arguing for tax cuts in Italy?  Most of the Italians I spoke to when I was there were absolutely giddy and joyous about the idea of being taxed.  :-D

Lega Nord wants tax cuts because they are tired of paying for those dirty, poor southern Italians. 

That being said, I don't know that southern Italians have much less of a desire for lower taxes since they're tired of "Rome, the thief" "stealing" from them.

[TheGlobalizer]

Who's arguing for tax cuts in Italy?  Most of the Italians I spoke to when I was there were absolutely giddy and joyous about the idea of being taxed.  :-D

Lega Nord wants tax cuts because they are tired of paying for those dirty, poor southern Italians. 

That being said, I don't know that southern Italians have much less of a desire for lower taxes since they're tired of "Rome, the thief" "stealing" from them.

Yeah, I've seen that re: Lega Nord, but it certainly doesn't seem to have much issue intensity.