Republicans Finally Fight Back Today on 380 tons

[J. J.]

Here is a link about the improbability of the explosives being looted:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

There may be satellite imaging of trucks around the bunkers prior to the US invasion.  If such imaging exists and is released, that will pretty much kill any chance Kerry has.

[J. J.]

Ah, you better take a look at Drudge.

[J. J.]

The new story strikes at Kerry's intellectual honesty, or dishonesty, in this case.  He chose to believe, and exploit something that wasn't true.

If the story is true, Kerry is dead.

[J. J.]

MSNBC is reporting it.  The DoD believes the explosives were removed (with Russian assistence) prior to the start of the war.  There may be pictures.

Kerry made the claim, without proof, that the explosives were looted; he then exploited it, even making a commecial about it.  The truth looks like that the explosives were not looted.  This could be another example of KERRY'S INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY!

[J. J.]

Alright, that's it! Where did this "intellectual dishonesty" stuff originate?!

Just say LIE. Much easier.

I'm entirely too polite to say that.

Kerry's intellectual dishonesty much better describes him overall.  It shows not only dishonesty but his inability to think through the issues and to make judgments based on the facts.  It also illustrates Kerry's inabilitity to be consistent and his lack of core values, overall.

[J. J.]

Jury is still out on this one.

It really sound like the administration is just trying to cover its but because the official spin keeps on changing.  Maybe when I see the pictures of it being trasnported out I'll believe but as for now.

The story was fishy from the start, but a satellite image of trucks around the bunkers would be icing on the cake! 

The story was fishy from the start, as I've posted.  Too much weight to be easily smuggled out.  It's likely that the troops securing the area would have noticed the seals.  The US Army traffic on the road would make it hard to get 40 truckloads of material out of there; certainly, three or four women didn't smuggle 360 metric tons out under a burka!

[J. J.]

Oh Bush has never run to a conclusion.  In this no matter how you look at it somebody in the whitehouse screwed up.  And right now they have given 10 different messages so you have to know that somebody in the white house is lying to you.

There are some problems with this, aside from the longistics, that the pictures jfool has on his sig are from an area that was within the security of an encampment of the 101 Airborne.

[J. J.]

Oh Bush has never run to a conclusion.  In this no matter how you look at it somebody in the whitehouse screwed up.  And right now they have given 10 different messages so you have to know that somebody in the white house is lying to you.

There are some problems with this, aside from the longistics, that the pictures jfool has on his sig are from an area that was within the security of an encampment of the 101 Airborne.

You guys lost.

No, that is an admission that we won.  There is circumstantial evidence that the explosives were moved prior to the start.  You have failed because you cannot produce even circumstantial evidence that they were there.

[J. J.]

Inspectors say HMX.
It had IAEA seals.
All lost because of Bush's decision to invade Iraq.

Spin spin spin.

Spunout and flop flop floppppped! 

How did they move the explosives?  Did some Iraqi women hide it under thier burkas?

Why don't you answer the question?

[J. J.]

How should I know?

Are you saying that the Earth doesn't exist because we don't know how it was created? This seems like a pretty silly argument.

Anyways, it was only 200 cubic meters.  A Titan trailer is about 100 cubic meters (130 cubic yards: http://trailer-bodybuilders.com/mag/trucks_new_trailers_debut/). So TWO of them would do the trick.

You should know if you are being intellectually honest.  Kerry isn't, are you?

It is only is silly argument for people that don't really want the truth and want to spin, like hacks and trolls.

If you are claiming something was taken, you have that the was something to be taken first.  Prove it, or at least provide some circumstancial evidence.

[J. J.]

Anyways, it was only 200 cubic meters.  A Titan trailer is about 100 cubic meters (130 cubic yards: http://trailer-bodybuilders.com/mag/trucks_new_trailers_debut/). So TWO of them would do the trick.

You should know if you are being intellectually honest.  Kerry isn't, are you?

It is only is silly argument for people that don't really want the truth and want to spin, like hacks and trolls.

If you are claiming something was taken, you have that the was something to be taken first.  Prove it, or at least provide some circumstancial evidence.

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The explosives were there when our troops opened up those rooms. They're gone now. It really doesn't matter exactly how they disappeared. We left the area unsecured. We did not bother to guard the area until later. You are being 100% unreasonable in asking me exactly how they moved it. It is very easy for a crowd of America haters to move that in 20 days.

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I'm being 100% reasonable to ask the question.  They seem to have been gone before we showed up.

It is not very easy for any crowd to move 360 metric tons of material.  It's even harder when the roads for the 40 heavy trucks are filled with elements of the US Army.  Possibly, with enough planning, you could do this in rural NM, but not in the middle of a US Army operation.  This part of the story has been fishy from the start.

You are also confusing volume with weight.  A truck, even a trailer, cannot carry 180 metric tons in one load.  That is too much weight.

[J. J.]

First, Answer my question.

Second, you are confusing volume with weight.  The average trailer holds 44,000 pounds, or @19.95 Metric tons.
http://experts.about.com/q/2220/1457114.htm

Even if there is space, it is too heavy to move.  It would take over 18 tractor trailer loads to move all of that.  Now, they are not going to successfully drive one accross the desert; an eighteen wheeler will be seen, especially since the roads are being used constantly by the Army.

This is the problem with the story; and it doesn't take into account the time that it would take to load the trucks.

[J. J.]

First, Answer my question.

Second, you are confusing volume with weight.  The average trailer holds 44,000 pounds, or @19.95 Metric tons.
http://experts.about.com/q/2220/1457114.htm

Even if there is space, it is too heavy to move.  It would take over 18 tractor trailer loads to move all of that.  Now, they are not going to successfully drive one accross the desert; an eighteen wheeler will be seen, especially since the roads are being used constantly by the Army.

This is the problem with the story; and it doesn't take into account the time that it would take to load the trucks.

I don't know how they moved it. Lots of trucks? 1 or 2 railroad freight cars? All I know is that they disappeared on our watch.

But, you DON'T know that. You simply want to believe it.

There is a slight problem with a freight car.  You nead a railroad and a locomotive to get the stuff anywhere.  While it is likely that there would be a spur there, the Air Force had pretty much destroyed the tracks and a locomotive would be kinda conspicuous.

[J. J.]

First, Answer my question.

Second, you are confusing volume with weight.  The average trailer holds 44,000 pounds, or @19.95 Metric tons.
http://experts.about.com/q/2220/1457114.htm

Even if there is space, it is too heavy to move.  It would take over 18 tractor trailer loads to move all of that.  Now, they are not going to successfully drive one accross the desert; an eighteen wheeler will be seen, especially since the roads are being used constantly by the Army.

This is the problem with the story; and it doesn't take into account the time that it would take to load the trucks.

I don't know how they moved it. Lots of trucks? 1 or 2 railroad freight cars? All I know is that they disappeared on our watch.

But, you DON'T know that. You simply want to believe it.

I don't want to believe anything. They disappeared on our watch. Get used to it.

You've once again showed the intellectual dishonesty that makes you and your candidate, Kerry.   Prove that is happened on our watch.

[J. J.]

If you're investigating a theft, do you make the victim prove exactly how whatever was stolen, even though they weren't there?

You make him prove what was stolen and usually when it was stolen.  You have not proved that anything was stolen.  I'm asking for at least circumstancial evidence of what happended.

[J. J.]

Believe he wants to believe that they stole the explosives.
Talk about faith based politics.

You want to believe that iraq had WMD.
You want to believe that Bush couldn't have prevented 9/11
You want to believe that Bush couldn't have caught OBL
You want to believe that things are getting better in Iraq
You want to beliebe that the Economy is improving or it wasn't Bush's fault.

Tell me one thing about Bush's policies that isn't faith based.

Once again you are incorrect.  I make most of my decisions based on evidence.

Is the good evidence that OBL could have been captured or 9/11 prevented, no.  Did I believe that Iraq had WMD's?  Yes, based on the fact that he did have them.  I don't now, because of the evidence.

Do I believe that elections will take place in Iraq on schedule?  yes, along with Kofi Annon.

You are just being both hackish and trollish when you make comments like that.

[J. J.]

If he was out of town for a month, he could do no better than this situation.

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You claim it was there when he "left town."  Provide even circumstancial evidence that it was.