Woman gets 47 pound tumor removed thanks to.... Obamacare.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

But a lot of people also die because of Obamacare, so there's that.

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

But a lot of people also die because of Obamacare, so there's that.

[citation needed]

[Joe Republic]

But a lot of people also die because of Obamacare, so there's that.

Kindly remove the word "alleged" from your username.  It's unbecoming.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

But a lot of people also die because of Obamacare, so there's that.

[citation needed]

Well not everyone can afford to be forced to pay for everyone else's healthcare while they are dying.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

But a lot of people also die because of Obamacare, so there's that.

[citation needed]

Well not everyone can afford to be forced to pay for everyone else's healthcare while they are dying.

Not everyone can afford to be forced to pay for increasingly exotic weapons platforms for the military while they are dying, either, but, somehow, we make do.

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

But a lot of people also die because of Obamacare, so there's that.

[citation needed]

Well not everyone can afford to be forced to pay for everyone else's healthcare while they are dying.

Who is "everyone else?"  Are we to assume that someone would not be getting coverage?

You know, I never understood all the hype about you, but the more I'm exposed to you the more I see what makes you live to your name.

[Deus Naturae]

But a lot of people also die because of Obamacare, so there's that.

[citation needed]

Well not everyone can afford to be forced to pay for everyone else's healthcare while they are dying.

Not everyone can afford to be forced to pay for increasingly exotic weapons platforms for the military while they are dying, either, but, somehow, we make do.

No, actually, we don't make do. We borrow money, and then leave it to future generations to make do.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

But a lot of people also die because of Obamacare, so there's that.

[citation needed]

Well not everyone can afford to be forced to pay for everyone else's healthcare while they are dying.

Not everyone can afford to be forced to pay for increasingly exotic weapons platforms for the military while they are dying, either, but, somehow, we make do.

No, actually, we don't make do. We borrow money, and then leave it to future generations to make do.

I said 'somehow'. Sovereign debt isn't my bête noire of choice at this point. Sorry. (I should point out that I oppose the military spending I'm describing, but for other reasons.)

[Franzl]

Making it easier for you guys.

Yeah good idea.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Making it easier for you guys.

Yeah good idea.

Just because someone has awful views doesn't make them and HP. See Barry Goldwater.

[courts]

Making it easier for you guys.

Yeah good idea.

Just because someone has awful views doesn't make them and HP. See Barry Goldwater.

admitting you have terrible, terrible opinions won't help you get girls

[AggregateDemand]

Not everyone can afford to be forced to pay for increasingly exotic weapons platforms for the military while they are dying, either, but, somehow, we make do.

If you're opposed to military spending, you have nothing to complain about. Even our post-9/11 spending is barely above the post-WWII nadir. Military spending as a dollar-value is enormous, but as a percentage of GDP, it isn't particularly outrageous, especially when you realize that Mexico and Canada basically expect pro bono protection from the US military. North America is a huge land mass with an abundance of natural resources. At least 4% of GDP is appropriate.

Americans cannot afford to pay 300% more for public care (per beneficiary basis) than other developed nations.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Making it easier for you guys.

Yeah good idea.

Just because someone has awful views doesn't make them and HP. See Barry Goldwater.

admitting you have terrible, terrible opinions won't help you get girls

I don't have that many awful views, you guys just think so.

[7,052,770]

Tell us more about how Obamacare is working when it's really not.

Define "working."

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

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[BaconBacon96]

It's nice to know AggregateDemand thinks people should needlessly die so his taxes can stay low.

[Indy Texas]

It's nice to know AggregateDemand thinks people should needlessly die so his taxes can stay low.

AggregateDemand is probably the sort of person who begins his opinions with "As a taxpayer..." in real life conversation.

[AggregateDemand]

It's nice to know AggregateDemand thinks people should needlessly die so his taxes can stay low.

If spending were a silver bullet, God would have put heaven up for sale so he could move to a mansion in Georgetown.

It's stunning how little people know about health care spending in the US. The killers are not the people who want to spend money wisely, it's the people who waste. This women would have been enrolled in some type of public/private care prior to ACA, if not for the ludicrous spendthrift of DC bureaucrats.

[Flake]

It's nice to know AggregateDemand thinks people should needlessly die so his taxes can stay low.

If spending were a silver bullet, God would have put heaven up for sale so he could move to a mansion in Georgetown.

It's stunning how little people know about health care spending in the US. The killers are not the people who want to spend money wisely, it's the people who waste. This women would have been enrolled in some type of public/private care prior to ACA, if not for the ludicrous spendthrift of DC bureaucrats.

It's stunning how you defend a broken healthcare system as something better than the ACA. Obviously it's not perfect but it's so much better than what we had in place.

[Antonio the Sixth]

It's nice to know AggregateDemand thinks people should needlessly die so his taxes can stay low.

If spending were a silver bullet, God would have put heaven up for sale so he could move to a mansion in Georgetown.

It's stunning how little people know about health care spending in the US. The killers are not the people who want to spend money wisely, it's the people who waste. This women would have been enrolled in some type of public/private care prior to ACA, if not for the ludicrous spendthrift of DC bureaucrats.

kthxbye

[Badger]

Actually its precisely because our healthcare system is largely privatized that we pay so much in terms of percentage of GDP. All major countries that have UHC pay far less in terms of percentage of GDP.

Actually, private care isn't the reason. About 45%-50% of US healthcare spending is public. If anything, private insurance rates are inflated by government inefficiency, namely below-market reimbursement for Medicare and the double dipping of Medicaid by senior citizens, which creates more lower-middle class uninsured. The unpaid portion of the bills generated by the uninsured and the elderly are dumped onto patients with private insurance or taxpayers. Rising private insurance rates create more uninsured. This is the death spiral we are trying to reverse.

Even assuming your 45-50% figure of public US healthcare spending is correct, arguing that our huge share of GDP spent on medical care is due to that "high" % compared to most other industrialized countries that have a far higher % of healthcare costs paid publically is......."intriguing".

Please stop embarrassing other blue avatars by association.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

Never assume anything AggregateDemand says is correct, because as has been routinely proven in the past, he literally just makes s**t up.

[AggregateDemand]

Even assuming your 45-50% figure of public US healthcare spending is correct, arguing that our huge share of GDP spent on medical care is due to that "high" % compared to most other industrialized countries that have a far higher % of healthcare costs paid publically is......."intriguing".

Please stop embarrassing other blue avatars by association.

Does anyone on this board look at data? The US Federal Government and several global organizations provide info free of charge. Our public healthcare spending as %GDP or PPP-adjusted-dollars is 3rd or 4th highest in the world, behind Luxembourg, Norway, and Netherlands (depending on the adjustment method).

US bureaucrats use a substantial portion of the $1T public healthcare budget to experiment on senior citizens (Medicare), and then pay for hospice care when the surgery goes awry (Medicaid). Why do you think the original ACA proposal tried to install a government oversight board to cut $500B from Medicare (10 years) by eliminating frivolous surgeries and medical procedures?

At least once a month, a major publication like NYT, WSJ, HuffPo or Washington Post will write an article about how public healthcare works. I suggest you start reading.

[Badger]

Even assuming your 45-50% figure of public US healthcare spending is correct, arguing that our huge share of GDP spent on medical care is due to that "high" % compared to most other industrialized countries that have a far higher % of healthcare costs paid publically is......."intriguing".

Please stop embarrassing other blue avatars by association.

Does anyone on this board look at data? The US Federal Government and several global organizations provide info free of charge. Our public healthcare spending as %GDP or PPP-adjusted-dollars is 3rd or 4th highest in the world, behind Luxembourg, Norway, and Netherlands (depending on the adjustment method).

US bureaucrats use a substantial portion of the $1T public healthcare budget to experiment on senior citizens (Medicare), and then pay for hospice care when the surgery goes awry (Medicaid). Why do you think the original ACA proposal tried to install a government oversight board to cut $500B from Medicare (10 years) by eliminating frivolous surgeries and medical procedures?

At least once a month, a major publication like NYT, WSJ, HuffPo or Washington Post will write an article about how public healthcare works. I suggest you start reading.

<Sigh> I didn't say our healthcare spending as % of GDP isn't high. It is. What I said is how do you explain that as a result of (allegedly) just under half our healthcare spending being public spending, when other countries have a far higher % of healthcare spending that is public, but still keep their GDP share of spending below ours?

I'm not the one with reading comprehension problems here, bubby.