New Tradesports rankings

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I find it amusing that Gore is higher than Romney.

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Gore up
Thompson down, McCain passes him.
Bloomberg doubles
Some total joke longshot Republicans actually have a bid now. Perhaps the Republicans are desperate.

Democrats
Clinton 48.5
Obama 31.0
Gore 9.4
Edwards 8.1
Richardson 3.4
Biden 0.5
Clark 0.5
Dodd 0.2
Warner 0.2
Kerry 0.2


Republicans
Giuliani 30.5
McCain 19.5
Thompson 18.7
Romney 17.4
Gingrich 3.6
Hagel 2.8
Huckabee 1.9
Bloomberg 1.8
Rice 1.6
Brownback 1.0
T. Thompson 0.7
Cheney 0.6
Sanford 0.6
J. Bush 0.4
Tancredo 0.4
Paul 0.2
Powell 0.2
Graham 0.2
Hunter 0.1
Dole 0.1
Frist 0.1

[Reignman]

I think Edwards is a little underrated right now.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Interesting trend over the past month:

                                                3/9        3/26     4/10     Change

Guiliani                                     40.0      40.5      30.5      -9.5

McCain                                     25.4       20.2     19.5      -5.9

Romney                                   18.3       16.3      17.4      -0.9

F. Thompson                              2.0        9.8     18.7    +16.7

and Fred Thompson hasn't even announced yet!

[Mr. Morden]

Holy !@#$, Thompson has now plummeted all the way down to 6.0 off of this lymphoba news.  That's a drop of more than 65% from where he was just minutes ago.

[CARLHAYDEN]

It is very sad.

I am reminded of the late Paul Tsongas.  He a brief cite from Wikipedia article:

In 1983, he was diagnosed with cancer and in 1984 announced his retirement from the Senate. After fighting the illness he returned to politics and in 1992 ran for his party's nomination for President. He ran a strong campaign and succeeded in winning the New Hampshire primary, but was eventually eclipsed by a resurgent Bill Clinton (the "Comeback Kid"), who would go on to win the Presidency. Tsongas was viewed as social liberal and economic conservative. He was especially known for his pro-business economic policies. In particular, he focused on the United States budget deficit and its harmful effects, a cause he continued to champion after his primary campaign ended by co-founding The Concord Coalition.

A few years later the cancer returned and he died of pneumonia and liver failure

RIP

[agcatter]

Looks like it will be up to Rudi to stop Hillary from sitting in the White House.  It's a shame.  I was really warming to Thompson.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Looks like it will be up to Rudi to stop Hillary from sitting in the White House.  It's a shame.  I was really warming to Thompson.

Well, we already know the numbers and date for filing for a third party candidate in Arizona.

As bad as Hillary is, Giuliani is worse.

[Mr. Morden]

Guys, I think you're overreacting to the lymphoma news, and the associated drop at Intrade.  To repost what I wrote in the other thread:

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I think people are blowing it out of proportion.  This is not like the Elizabeth Edwards situation, where she just found out about the return of cancer weeks ago.  The article says that Thompson has known about this for years, and thus was already thinking about running for president despite the lymphoba.  He also says "I have had no illness from it, or even any symptoms. My life expectancy should not be affected. I am in remission, and it is very treatable with drugs if treatment is needed in the future — and with no debilitating side effects."

Thus, I don't think it's any less likely that Thompson will run than it was yesterday.  Granted, there may be some people who will be less likely to vote for someone with health problems, but I doubt that'll be that much of a factor.

One should also note that, according to this article, it's Thompson himself who announced this news.  This actually makes me think it's *more* likely that he'll run.  Why would he keep this a secret for two years, and then talk about it now?  Because he wants to get everything out there early in advance of a presidential campaign.
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And it looks like people at Intrade are now starting to realize that this may not be as bad as it first sounded.  Thompson shares have rebounded to 14.0.  Still well below the 19.2 he was at a few hours ago, but much better than right after the news broke.

[WalterMitty]

someone should tell those people than arnold is ineligible for the presidency.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Thompson still can win the nomination. Of course his polls will go down a little for now, but once the race starts to heat up and "if" he runs then his numbers will rise and pass McCain.

[agcatter]

Sorry Carl, no one on the planet is worse than Hillary.  That would be impossible.  If there is a third party, that would insure that we will all get to find out just HOW bad she is.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Sorry Carl, no one on the planet is worse than Hillary.  That would be impossible.  If there is a third party, that would insure that we will all get to find out just HOW bad she is.

Needless to say, I'm no fan of Hillary.

However, I believe that Giuliani is more likely to suceed in pursuing many of the liberal objectives he has in common with Sen. Clinton that she herself would have.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Sorry Carl, no one on the planet is worse than Hillary.

Stupidest thing I've ever read. Osama bin Laden? Kim Jong-Il?

Even if we limit it only to American politicians, Hillary is FAR FAR FAR more right wing than Obama and Edwards, so how is she worse than them?

[agcatter]

So "Hillary is far, far more right wing than Edwards and Obama"?

LOL.  Uh, I'm very familiar with her Senate voting record.  It's the same as Edwards (slightly more lefty in fact than his was) and no different than Obama since he entered the Senate. 

Look it up.

[minionofmidas]

Perhaps the Republicans are desperate.

"Perhaps"? Wtf?

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After bashing Edwards for not dropping out when his wife found out she had cancer, Thompson supporters have a problem.

Democrats
Clinton 48.5
Obama 30.1
Gore 9.8
Edwards 8.2
Richardson 3.4
Biden 0.6
Clark 0.5
Dodd 0.3
Warner 0.2
Kerry 0.2


Republicans
Giuliani 31.5
McCain 19.8
Romney 18.0
Thompson 14.0
Gingrich 3.5
Hagel 2.5
Huckabee 1.8
Bloomberg 1.8
Rice 1.5
Brownback 1.0
T. Thompson 0.8
Sanford 0.6
Cheney 0.5
J. Bush 0.4
Tancredo 0.4
Paul 0.2
Powell 0.2
Graham 0.2
Hunter 0.1
Dole 0.1
Frist 0.1

[Mr. Morden]

After bashing Edwards for not dropping out when his wife found out she had cancer, Thompson supporters have a problem.

Were there really that many Thompson supporters who were doing that?  I don't remember that much "bashing" of Edwards at the time.

[elcorazon]

nah.  Edwards is selfish for not hanging with "the love of his life"  thompson is selfless for using what could be his latter days to do good things for his country and the world.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

So "Hillary is far, far more right wing than Edwards and Obama"?

LOL.  Uh, I'm very familiar with her Senate voting record.  It's the same as Edwards (slightly more lefty in fact than his was) and no different than Obama since he entered the Senate. 

Look it up.

Hillary is pro-war, those two are not. Plus she served on the board of directors for WAL-MART. She is no liberal.

[Reignman]

So "Hillary is far, far more right wing than Edwards and Obama"?

LOL.  Uh, I'm very familiar with her Senate voting record.  It's the same as Edwards (slightly more lefty in fact than his was) and no different than Obama since he entered the Senate. 

Look it up.

Hillary is pro-war, those two are not. Plus she served on the board of directors for WAL-MART. She is no liberal.

Maybe. She was pushing for health care when Clinton was going to do NAFTA and welfare reform.

[Mr. Morden]

Thompson has now recovered all the way to 18.0 (tied with Romney, and just a bit behind McCain), which is almost as high as his price was two days ago, before the lymphoma news came out.  Edwards is also almost back to where he was before the Elizabeth cancer news came out.

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Several Democrats slightly down, with no corresponding gains.
Giuliani's front runner position solidifies, while the next 3 candidates move towards a tie for 2nd place. Gingrich and Hagel also moved towards each other for a tie for 5th place.

Democrats
Clinton 48.0
Obama 29.5
Gore 9.3
Edwards 8.3
Richardson 3.4
Biden 0.6
Clark 0.5
Dodd 0.3
Warner 0.2
Kerry 0.2


Republicans
Giuliani 33.5
McCain 19.3
Romney 17.8
Thompson 15.3
Gingrich 3.0
Hagel 2.9
Huckabee 1.8
Rice 1.5
Bloomberg 1.0
Brownback 1.0
T. Thompson 0.8
Sanford 0.6
Cheney 0.5
J. Bush 0.4
Tancredo 0.4
Paul 0.2
Powell 0.2
Graham 0.2
Hunter 0.1

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Richardson, Biden, Dodd down
Thompson up
Santorum, LOL

Clinton 48.4
Obama 29.5
Gore 9.5
Edwards 8.2
Richardson 2.6
Clark 0.5
Biden 0.3
Dodd 0.2
Warner 0.2
Kerry 0.2


Republicans
Giuliani 33.0
McCain 19.4
Romney 17.8
Thompson 16.9
Gingrich 3.0
Hagel 2.9
Huckabee 1.8
Rice 1.5
Bloomberg 1.0
Brownback 1.0
T. Thompson 0.8
Sanford 0.6
Cheney 0.5
J. Bush 0.4
Tancredo 0.4
Paul 0.2
Powell 0.2
Graham 0.2
Hunter 0.1
Santorum 0.1

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Thompson up, Rice down


Clinton 48.0
Obama 29.4
Gore 9.5
Edwards 8.2
Richardson 2.6
Clark 0.5
Biden 0.3
Dodd 0.2
Warner 0.2
Kerry 0.2


Republicans
Giuliani 33.1
McCain 19.0
Thompson 18.5
Romney 17.8
Gingrich 3.0
Hagel 2.7
Huckabee 2.0
Rice 1.1
Bloomberg 1.0
Brownback 1.0
T. Thompson 0.8
Sanford 0.6
Cheney 0.5
J. Bush 0.4
Tancredo 0.4
Paul 0.2
Powell 0.2
Graham 0.2
Hunter 0.1
Santorum 0.1