Who is the worst president of United States ?

[Antonio the Sixth]

The correspondig of the previouse topic.
I know this list contains 4 republicans for only 2 democrats. Please don't consider that as a lack of objectivity, but at worst as a lack of knowledge. I tried to examinate historians' opinion and popularity at hte end of the term. I can don't have done it well, but I did it in good faith.
And don't forget that you can vote for a president who is not on the list.

After having reflected, I gave my vote to Buchanan, rather than my other "finalists" Hoover and Bush. I can't forgive a man for supporting slavery even for this time's historical context.

[Antonio the Sixth]

FDR

Dishonorable mentions: Obama, JFK

So you think that the worst president is the nephew of the best one ?

[Antonio the Sixth]

FDR

Dishonorable mentions: Obama, JFK

So you think that the worst president is the nephew of the best one ?

Yeah, I noticed that.

It has a lot to do with the camps and the New Deal.

Coherent with libertarian ideology. Nothing against that.

Sadly, the only Pennsylvania native was our worst President. His successor was our greatest.

You can find consolation in the fact that he was a democrat.

[Antonio the Sixth]

George W. Bush hands down. Others on this list had good intentions but were simply ineffective. GWB had no redeeming traits and was only interested in the power of himself and certain others and no compassion for anyone else.

I don't think so. I think Bush really believed in the inanities he said, he really belived that he was saving the world with destroying Iraq and abolishing civil liberties. He was just one of the worst idiots the world ever knew, an idiot who hates intelligence.

Wilson is without a doubt our worst two-term president;  Buchanan our worst one-term president.  You can argue the case for either, but I'll pick Wilson as worst since it is difficult to imagine any other president during Buchanan's term doing well, they'd just be able to not ef up as much as he did.

What did Wilson of so bad ? I personally think he was a great president.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Quite an objective analysis.

Lincoln was quite easily the worst. From removing civil liberties, throwing citizens in jail with no trial or charges, using human shields during war time, not prosecuting war crimes, et al. Needless to say J.W. Booth was the best thing to come along during his presidency. Unfortunately he became a player about 2 years to late.

Wow. Eulogy of a political assassination, plus those of the man who abolished slavery. Not exactly what you need to convince me that you are not very, very rightist.

Thanks for Bush anyways.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Lincoln was quite easily the worst. From removing civil liberties, throwing citizens in jail with no trial or charges, using human shields during war time, not prosecuting war crimes, et al.

Sounds like someone else we know, whose only difference from that list is that he was on the side of the south.

Davis? Not hardly.

No, Bush.

Bush didn't do any of that, so try again.

Quite an objective analysis.

Lincoln was quite easily the worst. From removing civil liberties, throwing citizens in jail with no trial or charges, using human shields during war time, not prosecuting war crimes, et al. Needless to say J.W. Booth was the best thing to come along during his presidency. Unfortunately he became a player about 2 years to late.

Wow. Eulogy of a political assassination, plus those of the man who abolished slavery. Not exactly what you need to convince me that you are not very, very rightist.

Thanks for Bush anyways.

War is hell, when you needlessly rape women and use human shields the end can't be to happy. Just like Hitler and Mussolini got the justice they deserved.

And the idea that Lincoln abolished slavery is one of the biggest myths of the War for Southern Independence.

Ah, yes. Someone else ( a southerner, certainly ) falsified Lincoln's signature on abolition act, because Lincoln refused to sign.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The emancipation proclamation was a political move. I'd strongly suggest you go read about the proclamation before assuming it actually had any power.

http://www.nps.gov/anti/historyculture/freedom.htm

Just the fact he signed it is enough for me. He did an historical thing by signing this paper, even if we needed LBJ to finish what he began.

Wilson is without a doubt our worst two-term president;  Buchanan our worst one-term president.  You can argue the case for either, but I'll pick Wilson as worst since it is difficult to imagine any other president during Buchanan's term doing well, they'd just be able to not ef up as much as he did.

What did Wilson of so bad ? I personally think he was a great president.

There are quite a few things he did badly, such as his interventions in Mexico, his efforts to purge all non-whites from governments jobs (except janitors and the like), but nothing stands so much as what he did in relation to the World War.  His policies prolonged the World War needlessly and helped to ultimately bring about the Bolshevik Revolution and all that entailed; he trampled on civil liberties in doing so; his high-minded rhetoric of self-determination was with his full approval only applied when doing so served the interests of the victorious Allies (and of course, only for "enlightened" white peoples).

Just about everything that people complain about George W. Bush doing, was done first by Thomas W. Wilson and to greater harm.

As for his pre-war accomplishments, just about anyone elected to the Presidency on the Democratic ticket in 1912 would have done those, so I can't really see giving him credit for them.  (BTW, had it not been for the fact that the Democrats still had a two-thirds majority of the delegates requirement in 1912, Champ Clark would have been the Democratic nominee that year, as he had a first ballot majority.)

You could be right. He had many defect, but I still believe tat his vision of international policies was a good one. About internal policies, income tax, senators direct election and right to vote for women were great progresses.

Wilson is #2 on my last. Bush did a lot of what both Lincoln and Wilson did. Lincoln and Bush both started wars and neither seems it was in our best interest.

Wilson gave us the Federal Reserve and the income tax.

FDR and LBJ and #3 and #4, mainly for the New Deal and the Great Society.

Income tax ? What an horror !!!

[Antonio the Sixth]

George W. Bush, running away.

I did not check "George Bush" because I didn't want anyone thinking it was his father.  I rather think H.W. Bush was one of our better Presidents.  Sonny boy was a living, breathing clusterphuck however.  From start to finish.

Sorry for the ambiguity. I obviously meant G. W. Bush.

[Antonio the Sixth]

My point is the continual sniping on the frontier was untenable and had to be dealt with. Separating the two groups was the best choice during that time period.

So you consider that two ethnies are unable to pacifically coexist in the same space ? Sorry, but I have to notice that's not so far from Hitler's vision.

[Antonio the Sixth]

My point is the continual sniping on the frontier was untenable and had to be dealt with. Separating the two groups was the best choice during that time period.

So you consider that two ethnies are unable to pacifically coexist in the same space ? Sorry, but I have to notice that's not so far from Hitler's vision.

Reading comprehension failure coupled with Godwins law. Cute.

I have absolutely no personal problem with you. Only with your ideas. Please don't see personal attacks where there's only ideological attacks.

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I can easily think that men who did it could have some very good motivations for this time. In fact, Jackson did many good things during his term, he certainly was an important president in the American History. But you can't excuse some actions with the context of the time. Will you say that you understand supporters of slavery because it was the realty before 1860 ( unfortunately, maybe you will say it, I hope you won't ) ? So, fair solutions could exist to prevent the native's tragedy. And separation is never a good way to resolve these problems.