When would you be enfranchised?

[minionofmidas]

The relevant question is not since when I would be entitled to vote (it's hard to say... quite possibly since just about forever) but since when I would be entitled to vote for the position that really matters (1918).

[Meeker]

The citizens of the District of Columbia are still disenfranchised.

[Hash]

France: probably 1848 with universal suffrage and the censitary vote removed. Not sure when in Canada, probably (assuming ownership of property) during BNA.

[afleitch]

1867 at the earliest. Possibly not till as late as 1918

[k-onmmunist]

I'm almost certain I would have been enfranchised in 1884 but it could have been 1867 come to think of it. Latest would have been 1918 obviously. Have we got any experts on UK franchise law here?

[k-onmmunist]

1789, as a white land owning male.

I thought you were a Jew?

Heh, he would only have been able to vote in Britain after 1858 at the earliest.

[Хahar 🤔]

I'm almost certain I would have been enfranchised in 1884 but it could have been 1867 come to think of it. Latest would have been 1918 obviously. Have we got any experts on UK franchise law here?

Given that Al doesn't know, I think we're out of luck.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I'm almost certain I would have been enfranchised in 1884 but it could have been 1867 come to think of it. Latest would have been 1918 obviously. Have we got any experts on UK franchise law here?

Given that Al doesn't know, I think we're out of luck.

Probably. The main thing was householder status, though.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

1670 or 1729 or 1776 depending on what standard you use for "enfranchisement".

[useful idiot]

Well, my family owned quite a bit of land in NC back in 1789(some of which they still own) so I don't know if that counts. I own no property, and my grandmother is Indian(not sure what that means).

[k-onmmunist]

Alright guys, I did a little research and in the boroughs, you had to hold property worth £10 under the 1832 Reform Act. This translate into modern pound values (i.e. 2008) at:

£777.36  using the retail price index 
£1,004.15  using the GDP deflator 
£8,245.35  using the average earnings 
£12,490.44  using the per capita GDP 
£31,435.45  using the share of GDP 

This seems surprisingly low. It would mean that most people today would have been able to vote from 1832 onwards... surely that can't be right?

[k-onmmunist]

If the above is true, it turns out I would have been enfranchised in 1835, after the borough reform act was passed, giving Stockport municipal borough status.

[minionofmidas]

Alright guys, I did a little research and in the boroughs, you had to hold property worth £10 under the 1832 Reform Act. This translate into modern pound values (i.e. 2008) at:

£777.36  using the retail price index 
£1,004.15  using the GDP deflator 
£8,245.35  using the average earnings 
£12,490.44  using the per capita GDP 
£31,435.45  using the share of GDP 

This seems surprisingly low. It would mean that most people today would have been able to vote from 1832 onwards... surely that can't be right?

Ah, fun with currency conversion onto a different technological plane. It doesn't work.

Obviously everybody owning a modern house would have been owning property worth over 10 pounds then - he would own an incredible marvel that nobody else could copy, after all. -_-

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Yes, that's very true.

Decimalisation might fucks things up mightily as well, though I don't know to what extent any calculators try to take that into account. Though, perhaps more to the point, hardly anyone owned their own homes in Britain until the interwar period.

[k-onmmunist]

Yes, that's very true.

Decimalisation might fucks things up mightily as well, though I don't know to what extent any calculators try to take that into account. Though, perhaps more to the point, hardly anyone owned their own homes in Britain until the interwar period.

Apparently, it takes into account decimalisation. Before that, the standard (from 1431 onwards) was 40 shillings, but it was never adjusted for inflation, so the amount of people able to vote increased.... very slowly.

[minionofmidas]

Decimalisation might fucks things up mightily as well, though I don't know to what extent any calculators try to take that into account.

Not an issue.

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Have you got any stats on that, btw?

[k-onmmunist]

Actually, I don't own-occupy my house, so it would probably be 1867 when I would have been enfranchised, when the rental qualifications were introduced.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Have you got any stats on that, btw?

Yes... but they're in a looming pile of hilariously disorganised box files. I'll have a look through them when I have time (ie; later this afternoon).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Have you got any stats on that, btw?

Yes... but they're in a looming pile of hilariously disorganised box files. I'll have a look through them when I have time (ie; later this afternoon).

Right. I didn't find the sheet I was looking for, but found quite a few numbers in a notebook. All figures are rates of owner-occupation.

First Set - 1945: 26%, 1966: 47%, 1983: 63%.

Second Set - all figures from 1946. England and Wales: 27%, Midlands 32%, South & East 29%, London 23%.

Third Seat - estimates from various towns and cities in 1900. Central Birmingham: 1.3%*, York 6%, Gateshead 17%, Sunderland 27%. The differences seem to have more to do with industrial and occupation structures and the sort of houses in the places*, rather than class. Presumably class division would be apparent if a middle class borough had been included.

*Figure will have been higher across the whole city, of course. Presumably Edgbaston isn't included.
**The most common form of housing in Sunderland at that point was a sort of terraced bungalow, while Central Birmingham was entirely courts. Also, Sunderland (along with most of the rest of County Durham) had an unusually large 'Labour Aristocracy', while Central Birmingham was slumland (though there were distinct types of slum...)

[minionofmidas]

Thanks.

[phk]

The Luce–Celler Act of 1946 allowed Indians to become citizens, so I would be able to vote then.

This.

[Bacon King]

1820s, Jacksonian reforms.

[Deldem]

1789, as a white land owning male.

[GMantis]

1879, when the Tarnovo Constitution came in force.

[Scam of God]

1818