Trump approval ratings thread 1.1

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I actually don't. I want him to be in office during the midterms, and if he's removed too quickly, the GOP could plausibly say "we had no idea this lunatic was going to be this bad" and there's a non-negligible chance that voters forget all about it by the time of the next election. The GOP needs to reap what it sowed with Trump.

On the contrary, I think impeachment/removal from office could destroy the GOP's majorities for the next 2 or so cycles.

Doubtful, while Nixon hurt the GOP in 1974, by 1976 he'd stopped hurting them and they lost no Senate seats. 76 was generally an election that favored incumbents, no matter the party.

And in 78 the GOP won big.

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Get back on topic please.

You geniuses let Krazen and MAGA2020 endlessly troll, the former after bei,g let back after a year because " he'd change", let Stormfront lite posts flourish, and THIS is where you draw the line?

Develop some perspective

Get over yourself.

What does that even mean in relation to this point? You're a great poster, TG, but this sounds pitifully close to a "I know you are but what am I?" level response.

Perhaps because what I'm saying is too accurate to be easily dismissed?

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Get back on topic please.

You geniuses let Krazen and MAGA2020 endlessly troll, the former after bei,g let back after a year because " he'd change", let Stormfront lite posts flourish, and THIS is where you draw the line?

Develop some perspective

Get over yourself.

What does that even mean in relation to this point? You're a great poster, TG, but this sounds pitifully close to a "I know you are but what am I?" level response.

Perhaps because what I'm saying is too accurate to be easily dismissed?

I'm one of the few mods who makes an actual effort to do the right thing and you feel the need to attack me, You know how the cave works, If I could ban people I would.

(Sigh) fair enough t g. Mia culpa. Sincerely. I should know better than to go after one of the mods whom I know are among the good guys. I was just frustrated and took it out on exactly the wrong target.

Again, my apologies. Keep on keeping on.

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Two big takeaways-

1. 48% of Trump supporters think white nationalists are either "right" or "have a point"

2. 31% of the public think the president supports white nationalism.

An even worse addition to point #1: Another 17% of Trump voters "aren't sure" about their views of the Neo-Nazi marcher's political views. NOT SURE?!??!?

Only 34%--1 in 3--of Trump voters thought they were "mostly wrong". I wished they'd asked "totally wrong".

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I think it will be big among the "remember when" crowd and huge in the South. We may end up with a revivalist "The South Will Rise Again" crowd, supported by many more people. Already it has been propped up in Central and SW VA (Confederate flags popping up all over the place) due to the us vs. them angle and lack of economic opportunity.

I don't know about "may"...it's pretty clear that this crowd exists, and in quite large numbers.

Also, about your last sentence regarding racism and the lack of economic opportunity, you may want to read this

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I just want to put this out here to challenge the notion that improving peoples' economic conditions will help decrease racism.

I'm going to question that summary about cotton prices. In high school honors history--yes, high school, but it was taught by a guy with his PhD in history and remains to this day one of the brightest guys who ever taught me, even including college and law school profs--explained how studies had shown the rise and fall of cotton prices had an almost exact mirror inverse trend to the rate of lynchings.

FWIW.

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My takeaways from the Marist poll:

• 37% of Republicans say the government has gone too far in expanding the right to protest or criticize the government
• Democrats are about evenly divided on whether Confederate Statues should be removed or not: 44% remain, 47% remove
• 43% of non-college Whites agree with the beliefs of BLM, compared to 40% who disagree

I really don't like generalizing entire segments of the electorate, but after reading every statistic from the poll, I can't help but come to the conclusion that Republicans are more tribal than Democrats.

Those are better numbers for BLM among non-college whites than I expected

That's also vastly better numbers for Confederate statues among Democrats then I would've ever dreamed. There has to be something beyond "Jim Webb Democrats" actually existing in non-negligible numbers.

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Fun fact- in January 1983, Ronald Reagan's approval rating was 35%. He went on to come within 10,000 votes of winning every single electoral vote.

Are you suggesting Trump will make a comeback, or that this is all stupid because he could just as easily make a comeback before 2020.

In either case, I'd argue that there are fundamental differences between Reagan and Trump, ones that seem to prevent Donald from actually being able to repair his image. So far Trump just keeps making things worse, and without any ability to discipline himself and listen to strategists, he'll never be able to recover significantly. It takes effort and doing the right things to win people back, and Trump's freewheeling "let Trump be Trump" nature is exactly what has led to this decline.

Also, he's offended many Americans in ways that simply can't be repaired easily. It's why at a time of a relatively stable economy, he is in the dumps like this.

Yep. To add to that last point, Reagan's low 1983 approval rating was largely due to the poor shape of the economy then, which rebounded mightily by election day the following year. In Trump's case, the reasonably robust (other than insufficient wage growth) Obama economy is the only thing keeping The Donald's approval ratings from utterly tanking, but the economy at this point has nowhere left to go but down.

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Telling, but I can't use it because it is an excellent-good-fair-poor poll.

Oh hell. Just give him 28% approval for Good and Excellent combined, and 51% disapproval for Poor. Consider the rest undecided. It gets the point across just fine.

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New Jersey, Rutgers-Eagleton

Donald Trump approval 30-65

Chris Christie 16-79 approval

Robert Menendez 28-25 favorability

Cory Booker 54-23 favorability

Understand that by New Jersey politician standards that makes Booker near Jesus-level popular.

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EPIC/MRI, Michigan:

Job performance -- negative, 62%.

Michiganders questioning  the mental stability of the President. -- 43% unstable, 45% stable

More effective: Obama 56%, Trump 32%

Investigations against him a "witch-hunt" -- agree 34%, disagree 55% (disagreement is hostile to the President's credibility)

Worry about the President handling North Korea -- 38% very worried, 15% somewhat worried   

Overall

36% favorable, 58% unfavorable


I do not use favorability polls anymore, so this will not appear on the map. But there is new data to show some flavor to the perception of the President.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2017/09/06/michigan-poll-president-trump-mental-health/634859001/

Perhaps my favorite part of this poll is the guy in charge of administering it is named Bernie Porn.

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EPIC/MRI, Michigan:

Job performance -- negative, 62%.

Michiganders questioning  the mental stability of the President. -- 43% unstable, 45% stable

More effective: Obama 56%, Trump 32%

Investigations against him a "witch-hunt" -- agree 34%, disagree 55% (disagreement is hostile to the President's credibility)

Worry about the President handling North Korea -- 38% very worried, 15% somewhat worried   

Overall

36% favorable, 58% unfavorable


I do not use favorability polls anymore, so this will not appear on the map. But there is new data to show some flavor to the perception of the President.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2017/09/06/michigan-poll-president-trump-mental-health/634859001/

Perhaps my favorite part of this poll is the guy in charge of administering it is named Bernie Porn.

Best name in polling EVER, LOL!

Man, the ridicule that anybody from that family must endure. I hope he doesn't name his daughter Lolita or Granny or something creepy like that.

Corrected.

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According to that surverymonkey poll, trump has seen a 11 point swing in his approval/disapproval spread since late august. If Hurricanes and "bipartisanship optics" will do that, can you imagine what a war with north korea would do? (at least in the short term?)

Hope he doesn't get any ideas. lol

Stuff like this is why I think the bad post thread is ill named. Marty's had some doozies, but he doesn't even ranked in the top 5 as far as bad posters on this

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Alabama, DDHQ 9/27-28, 590 LV

Strongly approve 219 38.8%
Somewhat approve 89 15.8%
Somewhat disapprove 42 7.4%
Strongly disapprove 200 35.5%
Undecided 14 2.5%

Total approve - 54.6%
Total disapprove - 42.9%

In the Senate race, they have Moore 50.2%, Jones 44.5%.

Morons have to moron