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Tetro Kornbluth
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« on: March 20, 2009, 04:12:25 PM »
« edited: March 20, 2009, 04:18:47 PM by The Man Machine »

I don't think of these things as necessarily "End of Times", but they are unabashedly "pagan" images all the same.

In fact, the more I think about it, the "woman-riding-the-bull" (not "harlot-riding-the-beast") symbolism was chosen precisely to eliminate whatever residual Christian spiritualism that had been retained from the EU's start as a Catholic project.

Excuse me.

The 12 stars in the EU flag have a 'biblical' origin (well, along with other things as well; though this is disputed). See here (and the bit under "biblical intrepretation as well").

Of course that's just the symbolism (which at this point did have some revelance in reality; Christian Democracy was dominant in Europe at that time).

Seriously people, the EU is infrutating sometimes, but it is hardly the politburo-bureaucratic fantasy that some on the right seem determine to paint it as.
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Tetro Kornbluth
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2009, 04:51:55 PM »

I don't think of these things as necessarily "End of Times", but they are unabashedly "pagan" images all the same.

In fact, the more I think about it, the "woman-riding-the-bull" (not "harlot-riding-the-beast") symbolism was chosen precisely to eliminate whatever residual Christian spiritualism that had been retained from the EU's start as a Catholic project.

Excuse me.

Schumann and Monnet were both devout Catholics; think that's what he's getting at.

As were De Gaulle and Adenauer.

From what I read of it, the Catholic social influence behind the start of the EU seems irrefutable.

The EU is a Catholic plot?  Okay.

No-one said that. Most of the original architects of the EU were Catholic. However didn't that particularly last very long...
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Tetro Kornbluth
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2009, 01:45:26 PM »

It's amazing the sh**e people can believe, isn't it?
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