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« on: May 09, 2019, 06:46:09 PM »

Say for this, the leaders of all the parties stay the same as OTL and the years elections happen stay the same as OTL as well


This is how I would have voted since 1959(without Hindsight)

1959: Harold MacMillian
1964: Sir Alec Douglas-Home
1966: Edward Heath
1970: Edward Heath
1974(Both Times): Edward Heath
1979: Margaret Thatcher
1983: Margaret Thathcer
1987: Margaret Thathcer
1992: John Major

1997: Tony Blair
2001: Tony Blair
2005: Tony Blair

2010: David Cameron
2015: David Cameron
2017: Theresa May

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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2019, 06:54:57 PM »

I think the same as yours.
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2019, 07:29:44 PM »

Without hindsight, I think:

1959: Harold MacMillian
1964: Sir Alec Douglas-Home
1966: Edward Heath
1970: Edward Heath
Feb 1974: Edward Heath
Oct 1974: Edward Heath
1979: Margaret Thatcher

1983: Might have voted Roy Jenkins
1987: David Owen
1992: John Major
1997: John Major
2001: William Hague
2005: Michael Howard
2010: David Cameron
2015: David Cameron
2017: Theresa May, under protest

Next: Anyone but May.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2019, 09:05:52 PM »



1959: Harold MacMillian
1964: Sir Alec Douglas-Home
1966: Edward Heath
1970: Edward Heath
1974: Edward Heath
1979: Margaret Thatcher
1983: Margaret Thathcer
1987: Margaret Thathcer
1992: John Major
1997: John Major
2001: William Hague
2005: Tony Blair
2010: David Cameron
2015: David Cameron
2017: Theresa May
2022 or whenever the next election is: Theresa May
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2019, 02:38:24 PM »

Starting in 1945 and doing a 2 round system whenever I would vote third party:

1945: Winston Churchill (Conservative)
1950: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1951: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1955: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1959: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour)

1964: Jo Grimond (Liberal) -> Harold Wilson (Labour)
1966: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1970: Harold Wilson (Labour)
Feb 1974: Harold Wilson (Labour)
Oct 1974: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1979: James Callaghan (Labour)

1983: Roy Jenkins (Alliance) -> Michael Foot (Labour)
1987: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1992: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1997: Tony Blair (Labour)
2001: Tony Blair (Labour)

2005: Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrats) -> Tony Blair (Labour)
2010: Gordon Brown (Labour)
2015: Ed Milliband (Labour)
2017: Caroline Lucas (Green) -> Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2019, 02:49:37 PM »

1945: Sir Winston Churchill
1950: Sir Winston Churchill
1951: Sir Winston Churchill
1955: Sir Anthony Eden
1959: Harold MacMillian
1964: Sir Alec Douglas-Home
1966: Edward Heath
1970: Edward Heath
1974: Edward Heath
1979: Margaret Thatcher
1983: Margaret Thathcer
1987: Margaret Thathcer
1992: John Major
1997: John Major
2001: William Hague
2005: Michael Howard
2010: David Cameron
2015: David Cameron
2017: Theresa May
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2019, 02:52:20 PM »

Write in the leader of the Natural Law Party every time
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2019, 03:23:59 PM »

1945: Sir Winston Churchill
1950: Sir Winston Churchill
1951: Sir Winston Churchill
1955: Sir Anthony Eden
1959: Harold MacMillian
1964: Sir Alec Douglas-Home
1966: Edward Heath
1970: Edward Heath
1974: Edward Heath
1979: Margaret Thatcher
1983: Margaret Thathcer
1987: Margaret Thathcer
1992: John Major
1997: John Major
2001: William Hague
2005: Michael Howard
2010: David Cameron
2015: David Cameron
2017: Theresa May



Why would you be a straight Torie voter in the UK but here you would be a Democrat till the late 90s-early 00s. Democrats in the 50s and 60s were  similar to the Labour Party even though they werent as far too the left while the Republicans were pretty similar to the Tories at the time just like they were in the 80s.
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2019, 04:11:52 PM »

Gary Lineker, JK Rowling, Gareth Southgate, Trevor McDonald, Peter Mandelson and Michael Portillo would all have had a good shot at being President in the last 20 years.
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2019, 05:17:50 PM »

Gary Lineker, JK Rowling, Gareth Southgate, Trevor McDonald, Peter Mandelson and Michael Portillo would all have had a good shot at being President in the last 20 years.
Why didn't JK Rowling enter politics to run for something?
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2019, 08:28:17 PM »

1959–2017: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2019, 02:59:58 AM »

1959–2017: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2019, 08:18:25 AM »

Without hindsight

1950: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1951: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1955: Clement Attlee (Labour)

1959: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour)
1964: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1966: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1970: Harold Wilson (Labour)
Feb 1974: Harold Wilson (Labour)
Oct 1974: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1979: James Callaghan (Labour)
1983: Michael Foot (Labour)
1987: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1992: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1997: Tony Blair (Labour)
2001: Tony Blair (Labour)

2005: Arthur Scargill (Socialist Labour)
2010: David Cameron (Conservative)
2015: David Cameron (Conservative)

2017: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2019, 04:59:29 AM »

Without hindsight

1950: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1951: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1955: Clement Attlee (Labour)

1959: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour)
1964: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1966: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1970: Harold Wilson (Labour)
Feb 1974: Harold Wilson (Labour)
Oct 1974: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1979: James Callaghan (Labour)
1983: Michael Foot (Labour)
1987: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1992: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1997: Tony Blair (Labour)
2001: Tony Blair (Labour)

2005: Arthur Scargill (Socialist Labour)
2010: David Cameron (Conservative)
2015: David Cameron (Conservative)

2017: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)

Huh

Cameron wasn't that bad after all, and the Labour challengers had nothing to offer, i guess in 2010 and 2015. Why would I vote for Brown or Milliband, i don't know. I might have abstained though or vote for a perrenial third party, i don't know.
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2019, 05:36:02 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2019, 06:27:11 AM »

Without hindsight


2005: Arthur Scargill (Socialist Labour)
2010: David Cameron (Conservative)
2015: David Cameron (Conservative)



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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2019, 06:57:13 AM »

Without hindsight


2005: Arthur Scargill (Socialist Labour)
2010: David Cameron (Conservative)
2015: David Cameron (Conservative)



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"Cameron might have been a psychopathic Eton boy who turned the economy into a benefits system for his rich mates, introduced a socially and economically damaging austerity system and put his own ego and the wellbeing of his party above the country resulting in what could potentially end up being the worst crisis in its history, but Brown and Milliband were neoliberal red Tories!"
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2019, 07:42:28 AM »

Without hindsight


2005: Arthur Scargill (Socialist Labour)
2010: David Cameron (Conservative)
2015: David Cameron (Conservative)



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"Cameron might have been a psychopathic Eton boy who turned the economy into a benefits system for his rich mates, introduced a socially and economically damaging austerity system and put his own ego and the wellbeing of his party above the country resulting in what could potentially end up being the worst crisis in its history, but Brown and Milliband were neoliberal red Tories!"

If you are going to vote for a Tory no matter what, you might as well cut the middle man /s
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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2019, 08:31:52 AM »

Without hindsight


2005: Arthur Scargill (Socialist Labour)
2010: David Cameron (Conservative)
2015: David Cameron (Conservative)



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"Cameron might have been a psychopathic Eton boy who turned the economy into a benefits system for his rich mates, introduced a socially and economically damaging austerity system and put his own ego and the wellbeing of his party above the country resulting in what could potentially end up being the worst crisis in its history, but Brown and Milliband were neoliberal red Tories!"

It's even weirder in the context of voting for insane recluse/possible informer Scargill in 2005. And also Miliband isn't significantly to the Right of most of the previous Labour leaders that he apparently has no problems voting for.
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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2019, 11:35:02 AM »
« Edited: May 12, 2019, 11:39:51 AM by Lakigigar »

I just don't know honestly, might just have abstained... Corbyn and Tony Benn, Attlee and MacDonald are the only ones i would have turned out enthusiastically for. I just see no reason to vote for centrist Labourites like Blair and Brown who did anything but help the working class (and in case of Blair even made war crimes), like what's the difference between Blair and Cameron or Blair and Reagan. I honestly don't know.

And centrists sometimes aren't better than right-wing candidates... See Macron. I honestly think Marine Le Pen would be better for the working class in France. I might've supported Macron once, but now i'm leaning towards Le Pen if the second round is repeated. We already know what we get if we vote for centrists and it's horrible, why not give the right a chance. At least economically they're better candidates, and all i care about is working class interests economically and the environment (and maybe some social policies).

I know more from US politics than UK politics although, that might explain the weird voting pattern. I don't know Milliband and a lot of the other past Labour candidates i voted for.
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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2019, 01:52:39 PM »

I just don't know honestly, might just have abstained... Corbyn and Tony Benn, Attlee and MacDonald are the only ones i would have turned out enthusiastically for. I just see no reason to vote for centrist Labourites like Blair and Brown who did anything but help the working class (and in case of Blair even made war crimes), like what's the difference between Blair and Cameron or Blair and Reagan. I honestly don't know.

And centrists sometimes aren't better than right-wing candidates... See Macron. I honestly think Marine Le Pen would be better for the working class in France. I might've supported Macron once, but now i'm leaning towards Le Pen if the second round is repeated. We already know what we get if we vote for centrists and it's horrible, why not give the right a chance. At least economically they're better candidates, and all i care about is working class interests economically and the environment (and maybe some social policies).

I know more from US politics than UK politics although, that might explain the weird voting pattern. I don't know Milliband and a lot of the other past Labour candidates i voted for.
Cameron did not stand up for the working class and it's absurd to think Le Pen would. Remember when people thought Trump would be working class-friendly Republican based on some of his campaigning? And he's governed exactly like a typical Republican in that regard.
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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2019, 07:48:27 PM »

Without hindsight


2005: Arthur Scargill (Socialist Labour)
2010: David Cameron (Conservative)
2015: David Cameron (Conservative)



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"Cameron might have been a psychopathic Eton boy who turned the economy into a benefits system for his rich mates, introduced a socially and economically damaging austerity system and put his own ego and the wellbeing of his party above the country resulting in what could potentially end up being the worst crisis in its history, but Brown and Milliband were neoliberal red Tories!"

It's even weirder in the context of voting for insane recluse/possible informer Scargill in 2005. And also Miliband isn't significantly to the Right of most of the previous Labour leaders that he apparently has no problems voting for.

Didn't know Scargill might have been an informer.
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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2019, 10:52:42 AM »

1950: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1951: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1955: Clement Attlee (Labour)

1959: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour)
1964: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1966: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1970: Harold Wilson (Labour)
Feb 1974: Harold Wilson (Labour)
Oct 1974: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1979: James Callaghan (Labour)
1983: Michael Foot (Labour)
1987: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1992: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1997: Tony Blair (Labour)
2001: Tony Blair (Labour)

2005: Abstain
2010: Abstain
2015: Abstain
2017: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)

Well here you go... I did read about Scargill, was misinformed indeed yes...
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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2019, 04:39:55 PM »

1955: Anthony Eden
1959: Jo Grimond
1964: Jo Grimond
1966: Jo Grimond
1970: Jeremy Thorpe
1974: Jeremy Thorpe
1979: David Steel
1983: David Steel
1987: David Steel
1992: John Major
1997: Tony Blair
2001: Charles Kennedy
2005: Charles Kennedy
2010: Nick Clegg
2015: Nick Clegg
2017: Naomi Long
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2019, 12:35:35 AM »

Without hindsight:

1945: Winston Churchill (Conservative)
1950: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1951: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1955: Clement Attlee (Labour)
1959: Hugh Gaitskell (Labour)
1964: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1966: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1970: Harold Wilson (Labour)
Feb 1974: Harold Wilson (Labour)
Oct 1974: Harold Wilson (Labour)
1979: James Callaghan (Labour)

1983: Roy Jenkins (Alliance)
1987: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1992: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1997: Tony Blair (Labour)
2001: Tony Blair (Labour)
2005: Tony Blair (Labour)
2010: Gordon Brown (Labour)
2015: Ed Milliband (Labour)
2017: Jeremy Corbyn (Labour)
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