Senate Bill: Let's Really Eliminate Farm Subsidies Act (Final Vote)

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Aye

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Growing up in rural areas my entire life, I also understand the importance of farm subsidies, and would be extremely disappointed if we abolished such an important resource to our the breadmakers of Atlasia.

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We still don't have a GM, correct? A cost analysis on this if it were just reserved to small farmers would be extremely beneficial.

In my hometown, if we eliminated farm subsidies to small farmers, my town would completely collapse, as would thousands of other farming communities throughout Atlasia.

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We still don't have a GM, correct? A cost analysis on this if it were just reserved to small farmers would be extremely beneficial.

In my hometown, if we eliminated farm subsidies to small farmers, my town would completely collapse, as would thousands of other farming communities throughout Atlasia.

I wonder though, why do these communities support Republicans. And correct me if I am wrong, but it's not just because of social issues. They support Republican economic policies until it affects them. The poor people in urban and suburban areas be damned.

Too bad this is Atlasia, where welfare is much more prevalent than in America. If the government is to play such a heavy role, as most in here support, I don't see what is so awful about providing assistance to the farmers who need it, unless it's just a middle finger to those with different values.

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We still don't have a GM, correct? A cost analysis on this if it were just reserved to small farmers would be extremely beneficial.

In my hometown, if we eliminated farm subsidies to small farmers, my town would completely collapse, as would thousands of other farming communities throughout Atlasia.

I wonder though, why do these communities support Republicans. And correct me if I am wrong, but it's not just because of social issues. They support Republican economic policies until it affects them. The poor people in urban and suburban areas be damned.

Too bad this is Atlasia, where welfare is much more prevalent than in America. If the government is to play such a heavy role, as most in here support, I don't see what is so awful about providing assistance to the farmers who need it, unless it's just a middle finger to those with different values.

There is nothing in this bill that prohibits social spending/welfare in rural communities. Why should we subsidize agriculture though?

Also in real life it is rural communities that give a middle finger to those with different values.

With the elimination of subsidizes, we are destroying rural Atlasia. Not only will countless farms be lost as a result, but thousands of small businesses will go under as we transition to an urbanized nation even more rapidly than before. A lot of folks would be negatively affected by this legislation - I don't think the reward of a little extra money in our pocket is worth the affect this will have on so many communities.

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As much as some would like to frame why I have put this legislation forward, this is, in no way, any vendetta towards any persons lifestyle. If I had my way, there would be plenty of subsidies that would get the chopping block. Sadly, even my friends on my side of the aisle would not support many of those efforts. This is one that has a bit more of a broad base support, so I decided to put it up. If people are going to get offended and make it personal, that's their problem, I don't give a damn.

Making it personal by explaining the affect it would have in rural communities, as I am one of the only folks in this body who actually have lived in one? If you want to call it that, be my guest.

It's fun to stick to "principles" in this game and support legislation like this, as unlike in reality, you don't actually have to worry about how this would affect people's lives. I'm trying to keep that bit of reality into consideration here. For many individuals, farming is all they have...it's all they know.

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While there are many other provisions that would need to be in place for me to support this bill, this amendment has my support.

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Aye

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Please give me a bit of time - I still have an amendment I may want to introduce.

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First, I wanted to clarify that this bill will not eliminate crop insurance. Am I correct in this assumption? I'm also confused where the $4 billion figure came from, indicating that $6 billion is currently spent, as the current budget states this:

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Here is my first amendment:

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I don't object but there is something I would like to change. I would like to make it clear that the cap on unemployment benefits would still apply to farmers as well. So if they made $100,000 in 2014, they shouldn't get $100,000 in unemployment checks.

That sounds reasonable enough.

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Assuming we aren't eliminating crop insurance, we would need to determine how much the government is going to designate for that, then go off the remainder to determine the first two clauses.

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So that leaves it to $8 billion for farm subsidies...

Amendment:

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Aye

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AYE

Mississippi ftw

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Is there anything else we can do about this guys?

While I will still be voting Nay, I think the damage this will do to rural areas is less than under the original text.

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Still not sure how that number correlates to the numbers passed in the 2014 budget...

I object, requesting that the 40% be moved back down to 25% - if this is going to pass, lets at least ease into it, allowing those who will surely be displaced to find other sufficient income.

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Objection to Amendment 57:60 is withdrawn.

[tmthforu94]

Nay