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Question: Which of those do you consider as the best president of United States ?
#1
George Washington
 
#2
Thomas Jefferson
 
#3
Andrew Jackson
 
#4
Abraham Lincoln
 
#5
Theodore Roosevelt
 
#6
Woodrow Wilson
 
#7
Franklin Roosevelt
 
#8
John Kennedy
 
#9
Ronald Reagan
 
#10
Another one ( please specify )
 
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Total Voters: 65

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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: May 16, 2009, 12:44:54 PM »

I think it would be interessant to see who is the most loved by the forum. However, I apologize if my list doesn't take some great presidents into account. I tried to be objective and chose those who are mostly considered as that, but I can be wrong.
I voted for Franklin Roosevelt.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2009, 04:48:57 PM »

If you value the United States as one country, with the U.S. constitution intact, you largely have Washington, Lincoln and FDR to thank for that. Their presidencies were the only ones that literally saved the USA from not existing in its present form.

Agreed.

For my own list :
- Franklin Roosevelt
- Abraham Lincoln
- Lyndon Johnson
- Thomas Jefferson
- George Washington
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009, 02:52:56 AM »

1) Ronald Reagan
2) Teddy Roosevelt
3) Franklin Roosevelt
4) Lyndon Johnson
5) Bill Clinton

What on Earth did Reagan do to warrant being the "best President", especially considering your populist leanings that have very little to do with Reagan's ideology?

I just like everything (or most everything) Reagan stood for.  I like his character, his dismantling of the Soviet Union, his conservatism and reviving the Republican party (of which I still share some issues) and his overall likeability.  He was the right person to bring us out of the Vietnam era, which ended just 6 years before he took office, and into the modern era.

BTW, Bush 41 would probably rank in my top 15 of good presidents thanks to his continuation of Reagan-era policies and served as a nice place holder between two great eras, the Reagan era and the Clinton era.

I don't think it's fair to give Reagan that much credit for "dismantling" the Soviet Union....although his spending certainly played a role.

It's understandable you like his character....but I still find it interesting that you liked "what he stood for", considering that his extremely liberal economic policies are exactly what you oppose these days.

But who am I to judge....Wink

Um... have you checked my economic score, lately?  I'm hardly a fiscal conservative or even a fiscal moderate.

well I meant economically liberal in the "correct" sense, meaning pro free market.

In the french sense, so. Smiley
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 11:26:30 AM »
« Edited: May 17, 2009, 11:32:05 AM by Antonio V »

well I meant economically liberal in the "correct" sense, meaning pro free market.
I've been wanting to start a thread on this.  I agree with you, an "economic liberal" would be a person who wanted liberty (FREEDOM) in the market place.  I'm pretty sure many (most?) people look at it the other way.

yes, indeed, and that's what "liberal" means pretty much everywhere else in the world except in the U.S.. Liberal and conservative do not contradict each other in economics, as far as I'm concerned.

I don't agree with that. In France, Madelin and his crazy friends usurp the monopoly of this adjective to defend the most radically conservative economic views.
Originally, liberalism is an european political movement in the XIXth century who were in favor of the guarantee of civil liberties ( I mean basic liberties, as freedom of expression ) and a more democratic system. Sure, they were mostly free-marketists, but the reason was that before Marx there was no strong socialist movement and economics were mostly non-issues.
Now, the difference between Europe and USA is that, whereas in Europe the emergency of a strong socialist movement pushed liberals ( and their french equivalent, radicals ) more and more toward the right-wing, in the USA absolute free market remained an unquestioned dogma until 1929. So, in Europe, since democratic liberties began to be definitely vested, "liberal" began more and more to qualify a man who opposed socialism. In the USA, however, it kept his original sense of "progressive", "leftist".
So, what is the better sense ? Neither American's nor European's.
It's not european's because, during the 30's years, a new movement emerged in Europe who rapidly took the name of "Social-democracy". Social democracy, that became a strong ideology after WW2, had very few in common with real socialism, because it clearly accepted market economy, just saying that the State could help making him work better and being fairer. Rapidly, social democracy began the ideology of main european left parties, replacing socialism. Many government experiences proved that those parties definitely renounced to socialism ( even the more hypocritical as the french PS did ). And, whatever we can say about it, social democracy is a liberal ideology in every sense of the world. So, when some PS idiots criticize "liberalism", they just prove they know nothing about the sense of a word.
Thogh the american sense appears more correct to me, it sounds paradoxal when we speak about economic issues. If it's true that the most anti-liberal law in the last 40 years was the Patriot act, when we speek about economy, every american party from the Green until the Constitution are liberal.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2009, 03:17:41 PM »

I know who the best current president of the United States of America is...

I think even a racist republican ultraconservative who hates young people will agree with you.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2009, 03:13:27 PM »

Glad to see Roosevelt winning. Smiley
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Political Matrix
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2009, 11:26:09 AM »


I wanted to add him on the list, but I thought there would have been so many democrats. Cheesy
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