Democratic WV primary + NE fake contest results thread (1st polls close @7:30ET)

[IceSpear]

"Other" is now breaking double digits.

[IceSpear]

I'm really hoping that WV keeps its trend of never picking my choice for president. If Sanders wins here, it'll look bad for him, and it would hurt my pride. LET'S GO, HILLDAWG! COME FROM BEHIND WIN IN WV!!

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but it looks as if West Virginia is yours.  

I'm still holding out hope that Charleston comes through for her...

It can join its brother Oklahoma

Yes! These were the only two states I wanted Hillary to lose. I'm so happy.

[IceSpear]

Yes! These were the only two states I wanted Hillary to lose. I'm so happy.

Mississippi? Alabama?

Those states are hellholes, but in a Democratic primary it's the base of the party that is voting. No problems there.

[IceSpear]

Yes! These were the only two states I wanted Hillary to lose. I'm so happy.

Mississippi? Alabama?

Those states are hellholes, but in a Democratic primary it's the base of the party that is voting. No problems there.

No issues with Kentucky?

Coal country isn't the entire state, thankfully. I have nothing against Louisville and Lexington.

[IceSpear]

So... looking back, how did Hillary win SW PA?

There are nowhere near as many Dixiecrats in Western PA as there are in WV. On top of that, it was closed.

[IceSpear]

Judd pulls ahead of O'Malley!

[IceSpear]

The margin will only continue to grow as the rest of the vote comes in. Could be a 20+ point margin. Also, a county sweep now looks likely. Excellent news!

[IceSpear]

Clinton has been projected by AP to win the Nebraska beauty contest. She's up 61% to 39% with 17% in.

Excellent! Great job Hilldawg!

Caucuses are so awful. In a normal primary Nebraska probably would've been a tight race.

[IceSpear]

I bet Hillary has a good chance of winning in my state.

South Dakota? No. The only reason Hillary is winning Nebraska is because it awarded 0 delegates, so Bernie's campaign had no reason to care.

Agreed. However, it does make me think he's not a total lock in SD, which I would've thought yesterday.

[IceSpear]

lets hope that DWS does the right thing and refuses to seat Bernie's NE delegates after the people of Nebraska, when given a fair and democratic opportunity to do so, overwhelmingly reject him!

This would actually be a good way to abolish caucuses in the future. Just dictate that any states that have them will count for no delegates, or their delegates get cut in half. Iowa can be an exception because of muh traditionz.

[IceSpear]

lets hope that DWS does the right thing and refuses to seat Bernie's NE delegates after the people of Nebraska, when given a fair and democratic opportunity to do so, overwhelmingly reject him!

This would actually be a good way to abolish caucuses in the future. Just dictate that any states that have them will count for no delegates, or their delegates get cut in half. Iowa can be an exception because of muh traditionz.

I'm up for getting rid of caucuses in exchange for every state going to open primaries or at worst modified open/closed.

I'm hoping this happens at the DNC this year. Bernie is clearly going to push for more open primaries at the convention along with reducing the amount of superdelegates, and DWS and the Clintonites clearly want to nix caucuses. It would be a great compromise.

[IceSpear]

Could Farrell crack 10%? He's approaching 9%. Judd is still beating O'Malley.

[IceSpear]

Open primaries in all 50 states is a horrible idea. You'd have Republicans picking our nominee in years without competitive GOP primaries.

That's why I'd prefer semi-closed. Sure, Republicans could all re-register, but that would apply to closed primaries as well.

[IceSpear]

De La Fuente is the only "protest candidate" with less than 1% of the vote. Called it. I knew "other" would break double digits as well. Racist WV hicks (this can be my version of angry NH women) are so predictable.

[IceSpear]

So are there any primary by primary calculations of what the most sane way of getting Sanders to the nomination is?

There are no sane ways, unless you think he can win California by 40+ points.

[IceSpear]

Were independents allowed to vote in the NE beauty contest?

[IceSpear]

So, despite the gloating, the Nebraska primary is likely to be pretty close after all, I guess?

I mean, even if it was a tie that would be a 14 point swing. That would actually be similar to Texas in 2008. The primary and caucus were held on the same day. Hillary won the primary by 4 but lost the caucus by 12.

[IceSpear]

Carson is beating Rubio in both Nebraska and West Virginia. lol

[IceSpear]

Honestly, that map makes Ohio stand out just as much. I still don't get why Sanders collapsed so badly in Ohio. I mean, I'm not saying he should've won it, but if demographics really are destiny, he probably should've only lost it by 3-4%.

Looks like the theory about a lot of his voters crossing over for Kasich was true. On top of that, a lot of his would-be supporters in coal country likely crossed over for Trump.

[IceSpear]

Despite trailing, Bernie is currently getting more votes in Nebraska than both he and Hillary got combined in the caucus.

[IceSpear]

I kind of want one of the 3 completely out WV counties to go for Clinton just to see Icespear's reaction.

I actually didn't think there would be a county sweep. I figured she'd win Jefferson and Kanawha at least, and maybe a couple other random ones. It was a pleasant surprise rather than an expectation, so I wouldn't be too disappointed.

[IceSpear]

Despite trailing, Bernie is currently getting more votes in Nebraska than both he and Hillary got combined in the caucus.

Are those actual votes in the caucus, though? Usually, with caucuses, they count county delegates, not raw votes. A lot of people made that mistake in WA, where hundreds of thousands of people voted, but some people floated the argument that it was only 27,000, because WA counts district delegates instead of votes.

They're actual votes. Iowa, Nevada, Maine, Washington, and Wyoming were the ones that didn't release a popular vote total, according to Wikipedia.

[IceSpear]

Despite trailing, Bernie is currently getting more votes in Nebraska than both he and Hillary got combined in the caucus.

Are those actual votes in the caucus, though? Usually, with caucuses, they count county delegates, not raw votes. A lot of people made that mistake in WA, where hundreds of thousands of people voted, but some people floated the argument that it was only 27,000, because WA counts district delegates instead of votes.

They're actual votes. Iowa, Nevada, Maine, Washington, and Wyoming were the ones that didn't release a popular vote total, according to Wikipedia.

I see. Well, if that's the case, Hillary's margin of victory in the primary in terms of actual votes looks like it'll be pretty much identical to Sanders' in the caucus. I'd definitely bet on Sanders winning the beauty contest in WA, since WA was a far more substantial win for him, but it'll probably be by 5-10%.

On that note, Washington in particular not releasing a popular vote hurts him pretty bad in the PV count. The others are too small to really matter much.

[IceSpear]

The final county to report, mineral county, gives Bernie Sanders the sweep of West Virginia.

Source: New York Times

[IceSpear]

Democrats should just go back to being pro-coal - it's difficult for republicans to get to 270 without West Virginia and Kentucky.

Alison Lundergan Grimes and Natalie Tennant were pro coal. Grimes even hit McConnell in ads for being not pro coal enough. How did that work out again?