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Demrepdan
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« on: December 01, 2003, 06:46:58 PM »

The way it is now, Bush has a 54% chance of winning Minnesota.
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2003, 12:50:32 AM »

I think that Minnesota will go for Bush, 52% to 47%. After a close 2000 Presidential election, and the recent election of their new Republican Governor and Republican Senator, I think we are seeing a preview of the 2004 election.
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2003, 01:42:28 AM »
« Edited: December 03, 2003, 03:09:08 AM by Demrepdan »


Well, that’s a different topic for a different thread. But it amazes me how so many people think Illinois is solidly Democratic as of late. Illinois has voted for the winning Presidential candidate every single time in the 20th century except for 1916 and 1976. Accordingly, Illinois voted for Clinton in 1992, 1996, and then voted for Gore (who won the popular vote, but not the election) in 2000. And even the 2000 election was relatively close at 54%. Illinois has given you the allusion it is  Democratic, simply because the Democrats have won the Presidency the past decade. Except for Bush’s election in 2000.

The northern half of the state is Democratic, and the southern half is Republican. Since nearly half of Illinois's population lies in the north and the other half in the south, the state is fairly evenly divided amongst Democrats and Republicans. You just need a few people from the north or south to vote for the other party in order to decide elections (including the swing voters of course.) This is what makes Illinois a swing state.

As far as the 2002 elections, Illinois voted for Senator Durbin by 66% (no big surprise) and also voted for the current Governor Rod Blagojevich (bla-GOYA-vich) with 52% of the vote (still pretty close). The Illinois General Assembly also went Democratic. Why did the Democrats win so big at the state level? Former Governor George Ryan is the answer. Nothing but corruption plagued his term of office, and the people of Illinois were ready for a change after having Republican governors for 28 years. Blagojecvich promised the voters he would end the corruption and "clean house". Voters of Illinois figured that it would be best to begin anew with new leadership. Thus, the Democrats had a big win at the state level in 2002. Again, Durbin won re-election, that isn't saying much though.

Also note that 10 of the 19 U.S. Representatives from Illinois are Republican. Therefore, there is a small glimmer of hope for the Republicans in Illinois. Many people have stated in other threads that it is the House of Representatives that determines which way the country is going, either Republican or Democrat, and since the House is in Republican control, that would lead you to the assumption that the majority of the country are Republicans. Then I suppose this logic can be applied to the state of Illinois. Since there are 10 Republicans to 9 Democrats, accordingly, Illinois’s  political beliefs lie in the Republican arena.

The Democratic Nominee won't "easily" win Illinois, and neither will Bush. Illinois is a swing state and always will be for quite some time. No amount of state level corruption could stop this.

And furthermore, no candidate should ignore the Midwest states, since it is truly the Midwest that decides elections. I think this is the reason why most states go one way or the other. People say "Hey, those states aren't going to vote for us, so f**k em!" Thus, the state votes for the other party, and in essence f**ks the candidate.

But yes, it wouldn't surprise me if Illinois voted Democratic in 2004. Since current Senator Peter Fitzgerald (R) is stepping down, and with no good Republican contenders, and some good Democratic contenders, (including well known State Comptroller Dan Hynes) I would assume that the next U.S. Senator from Illinois will be a Democrat. The majority of the 19 Congressional districts will undoutedly stay in Republican control. But as far as the Presidential election, you can pretty much flip a coin. Although Bush's chances don't look too good. If Bush wins Illinois it will be 52% for Bush 47% for the Democrat. If the Democrat wins it'll be 55% for the Democrat, 44% for Bush.

Sorry for going on about this. Since this is a thread discussing Minnesota in 2004, I shouldn’t have gone on about Illinois. I predict in the near future, there will be threads for all the swing Midwest states, WI, IA, MO, IL, MI, IN (oops not Indiana Wink )
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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2003, 01:53:43 AM »
« Edited: December 03, 2003, 01:58:34 AM by Demrepdan »

I think the Democrats actually have a shot at winning Indiana.
Indiana hasn't voted for a Democrat since 1964. Indiana even voted for President George Bush in 1992 when things weren't so good. I don't think things will be as bad as they were back in '92 by November 2004, therefore, what reason would Indiana have for voting Democratic?

I don't see Indiana voting Democratic.
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2003, 02:03:37 AM »

Nobody in their foggiest dreams thought Reagan would carry Rhode Island and Hawaii in 1984, but he did. So far, Bush's utter unpopularity has been severely underestimated by the media and others.

If I didn't know any better about how ingrained Republican vote fraud is, then I wouldn't even count Texas as safe for him.

You may indeed be right.
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2003, 02:16:05 AM »
« Edited: December 03, 2003, 02:23:42 AM by Demrepdan »

Good post.  What about Jack Ryan ( =man I wish he ha a different last name) for Senate.  Heard he is a leading candidates looks good and got plenty of money for GOP side in senate race.

Jack Ryan
Andy McKenna
Jim Oberweis

Those Republican candidates, pretty much in order, have a good chance of winning the nomination, and possibly the Senate election in Illinois. A person who had a DAMN good chance to win the nomination and even a better chance of winning the election, refused to run.
Former Illinois Governor Jim Edgar (R) (1991-1999) who is extremely popular throughout the state and won the support of both Republicans and Democrats. He would be an excellent candidate, but he said he wants to spend more time with his family....pffffph...idiot.

Yeah! And what's with all these RYANS?! George Ryan, Jim Ryan (who ran for governor in 2002) Jack Ryan. And NONE of them are related to each other!!
There are just a BUNCH of RYANS running around all over the place!!! It's enough to make a person SICK!!

No offense to Ryan, one of the Senior Members of the Forum. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2003, 06:40:03 PM »

Dean isn't the f**king nominee yet. Until he is, stop saying it. If Dean is DEFEATED, I will come back and LAUGH at each person, who said, "Who will win, Dean or Bush, Dean Dean Dean, Deany Deany Dean Dean.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2003, 07:08:50 PM »
« Edited: December 05, 2003, 07:10:48 PM by Demrepdan »

I take it that you are not supporting dean.
Neather am I. I like gephardt
lol. Yeah, I like Gephardt better as well.  Not to imply that I HATE Dean. But still, I don't go around saying, "Who do you think will win, Bush or Gephardt?". Because I know Gephardt is not yet the nominee, and I would never be so cock sure to say he will be.

Like some members on this forum are so sure Dean will be nominated. Or, that Bush WILL win.
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