Kasich: Don't drink alcohol if you don't want to get raped

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What's with Republicans and rape?

It's still good advice -- tell your kids who are too young to drink alcoholic beverages to avoid places in which people are drinking heavily. Alcohol kills inhibitions to a man's sex drive and takes away a girl's ability to resist unwelcome sex. Alcohol almost qualifies as a date-rape drug.

I'm a Democrat, and I fully endorse that message. 

Sorry, but that's utter BS.

There is nothing about drunk parties that would make rape particularly likely if there wasn't other factors at play. And it's ridiculous to think that it's on women to avoid parties if they want to feel safe.

umm...  wet roads cause accidents.  Yes of course there are other factors at play like you also need a car to have a car accident but that doesn't mean we should ignore wet roads.

Strange that this is an argument... even more bizarre some people tried to turn it into a partisan argument.

If you want to feel safe, not going to parties with a lot of alcohol is bad advice why? 

Because it denies the human agency of rapists and excuses their behavior.

"Be careful with food around your campsite" is good advice for avoiding problems with bears and raccoons. But we don't treat bears and racoons as people, and we certainly don't let them vote. What Kasich is implicitly saying is that its somehow unfair or wrong to create a standard that requires human beings to act decently (particularly towards women) thereby giving de facto permission for what is completely unacceptable, criminal and destructive behavior.

If Kasich had been asked about the Holocaust, and replied "Jews should have gotten out of Germany" his career would be over. Or, if he were God forbid, assassinated, no one would think that, "I guess he shouldn't have run for president" would be approrpirate.

Errr...  Do you lock the doors and windows of your apartment/house/car?  Are you denying the "human agency" of burglars?

WTF?!

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Locking your doors is reasonable advise. It takes a second and doesn't really impact your life otherwise.

Maybe it doesn't change your way of life but I've lived in places where people wouldn't even think of locking their doors and it is a far more noble idyllic and liberating way of life than hanging out with a bunch of underaged drunk frat boy meatheads.  I love the intolerance.  "Because I've lived all my life with a fortress mentality there is no way living in a relatively open crime free society is better."  Well thanks for your insight.

Don't socialize, unless it's with Mormons, is not reasonable advise. It impacts your life hugely.

It's sad the number of people in this thread who's only concept of socializing is puking in a toilet while surrounded by a bunch of frat boys drinking trash can punch.  Really... there is no middle ground between that and Mormons?

I think the reason the OP and many other people posting in this thread wouldn't dare to post what Kasich actually said is because his advice which was only a fraction of what he said is common sense.

Life is full of risks.  It is up to each individual to choose what risks they can/will tolerate.  Personally as a heterosexual male I've removed myself from several social situations over the years because I didn't like the scene nor the direction it was going.  I mean I know I have "muh rights" but I don't want to deal with the consequences of exercising each and every one of those rights 24/7.  I am not going to go out there an exercise "muh rights" to prove a point and end up arrest or killed.  We should advocate to address issues in society but in the interim it is foolish to avoid taking simple preventative measures.

It is a scientific fact that alcohol causes a significant amount of morbidity and mortality amongst young people regardless of gender.  I like alcohol but I'm not so pathetic that I would pretend it is riskless to hang out where it is being used in extreme excess by irresponsible people.

The thing about it is I realize that if I just avoided a handful of situations I could have all but eliminated 95% of the drama in my young life.  There were just a few alcohol fueled nights when things went just a bit too far.

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Errr...  Do you lock the doors and windows of your apartment/house/car?  Are you denying the "human agency" of burglars?

WTF?!

Again, imminent threat vs observed threat. Cautioning against parties with alcohol is like cautioning against falling asteroids.

In fairness nothing in your post makes any sense.  Where do you live where there are constantly "imminent" or "observed" threats lurking outside your door/window?  Time to move, man.

So to all the people posting hyperbole in this thread where did Kaisch mention a 30 year old female executive going to a wine tasting at the Met?  Or is the problem there are simply too many adolescents on this forum who don't know the type of party Kaisch is referring to?  Seriously people on this forum need to get a life.  I can't believe there are this many people who can't discern a safe and responsible way of socializing with alcohol vs a sad caricature of a scene from Animal House.

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This should be an automatic disqualifier, but in today's Republican party, this could very well still pass for 'moderate.'  It's hard to keep track of which pro-rape policies are and aren't acceptable, honestly.

From the "pro-rape" NIH...

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http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/special-populations-co-occurring-disorders/underage-drinking

NIH scumbags... going to start getting all my health advice from anonymous teenagers on the web.

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Life is full of risks.  It is up to each individual to choose what risks they can/will tolerate.  Personally as a heterosexual male I've removed myself from several social situations over the years because I didn't like the scene nor the direction it was going.  I mean I know I have "muh rights" but I don't want to deal with the consequences of exercising each and every one of those rights 24/7.  I am not going to go out there an exercise "muh rights" to prove a point and end up arrest or killed.

I think we found the guy who sleeps with passed out people at parties.  Nobody wants to read your misrepresentations.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

If I honestly thought you believed the things you post I would say you have very deep and profound problems.  That is simply not how you debate an issue.  And considering you are defending a thread title which is an obvious lie perhaps you should get out of the business of accusing people of misrepresenting things.  I am a Democrat and I would never vote for Kasich but this thread is a travesty.  It started with a lie and went downhill from there.

If Kasich is so obviously wrong why not post the exchange in it's entirety and Kasich's actual words instead of a lie?

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Life is full of risks.  It is up to each individual to choose what risks they can/will tolerate.  Personally as a heterosexual male I've removed myself from several social situations over the years because I didn't like the scene nor the direction it was going.  I mean I know I have "muh rights" but I don't want to deal with the consequences of exercising each and every one of those rights 24/7.  I am not going to go out there an exercise "muh rights" to prove a point and end up arrest or killed.

I think we found the guy who sleeps with passed out people at parties.  Nobody wants to read your misrepresentations.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

If I honestly thought you believed the things you post I would say you have very deep and profound problems.

You quoted NIH as though it were somehow the same thing as a presidential candidate giving a bit of friendly advice to rape victims to wear less revealing clothing.  Oh wait, I forgot we were talking about alcohol instead.

I have no desire to defend John Kasich from a largely accurate thread title to make some clueless MRA feel better about discourse on this forum.  You've made your bed, now you can sleep in it.  You sided with the rapists and it's pretty clear that you have a personal motivation for doing that.  Nothing you can say will exonerate you.

Please stop.

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If a woman going to a party is "putting herself in obvious danger" then there is something pretty fcked up about your party culture.

Hi, foreigner.  I've never been to your country.  So I take your word for it you guys only have one kind of party over there.  Here in America we literally have an infinite variety of parties and yes the culture surrounding some of those parties is "pretty fcked up" as you put it.  It got lost in all this ridiculous noise but that really is the point.  Heroin parties might be cool and safe for small children in your wonderful country but here in America they are frowned upon as are certain other categories of parties.  Ice cream parties and wine tastings are much more accepted over here and according to scientific data are less rapey.

I totally get that you don't know anything about our country, but what I find bizarre is your incessant need to comment on it.

Kasich was referring to a particular kind of ILLEGAL party and just paraphrased the NIH and multiple city and state ordinances and advised the young lady who asked, to steer clear.  It is pretty normal for someone running for the job of chief law enforcement officer of the land to advise minors to follow the law in this country.  I realize it may be different where you live.

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http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/special-populations-co-occurring-disorders/underage-drinking

I'm curious does anyone on this forum think Hilary Clinton or Obama would advise there 18 year old daughter to go to a frat party with excessive underage drinking?!  Is Kasich's advice to this woman and to his own daughters different than what Hilary Clinton or Obama would say?  I mean I don't know what W Bush said to his daughters but we all know how that turned out.

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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washdc/2001-05-31-bushdaughters.htm

Or is it you just prefer politicians to say one thing behind closed doors to their daughters and say the exact opposite thing to your daughter's face when she needs advice?  Is that what the Atlas hair on fire crowd wants?  Politicians to lie to our daughters?

Don't go to parties with a lot of alcohol IS basically saying don't socialize.

They have a lot of alcohol at wine tastings.  You honestly think he was telling 30 year old female advertising executives in NYC not to go to wine tastings with their physician/lawyer/investment banker boyfriends?  Or perhaps you want to take another crack at that... this time in context?

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According to scientific data, most rapes have nothing to do with parties.

I'm not even going to justify that strawman with a response.

According to scientific data, most rapes have nothing to do with parties. They are primarily driven by predatory behavior, as most women are raped by men they know and trust.

Unlike you I posted scientific data from the NIH in its entirety with a link for all to read and verify for themselves.  Your use of the phrase "know and trust" is just the sort of tactic anonymous people use on internet forums to try and sound scientific.  In some studies I've read "know" could simply mean the person is in their freshman calculus class and they know the person's name and face.  In others it means their freaking husband.  I don't think this underaged college student was asking Kasich that question because she was afraid her husband was going to rape her.  And I don't think she was asking that question because she was afraid her scum bag uncle who's been fingerb@nging her since she was 8 was going to pay her a visit in her dorm room.

You are correct that Sweden is more progressive than the US and that more progressive attitudes can help rectify some of these issues.

I never said that.  There are numerous things which I think factor into the issues on US college campuses that go far beyond rape.  Our lack of affordable functional public transportation and walkable cities contributes to numerous deaths from drunk driving.  Sweden also has much stricter drunk driving laws.  They are in fact unconstitutional by American standards.  And there are cultural factors that I personally think factor in.

I seem to know more about your country and its issues with sexual violence than you do, sadly.

If I honestly thought you believed that I would tell you to get help regarding narcissism.


Here's the bottom line folks the young lady in question asked what this guy was going to do as president about her concerns regarding rape amongst college students.  This thread is very telling.  The hair of fire crowd had a good ol' time calling everyone rapists but it painfully obvious they have even less advice and solutions than Kasich.  And Kasich has about as much advice and solutions as Bernie, Hilary, and Obama.  If there was some quick easy solution someone would have proposed it by now.  Obama has been president for 8 years.  What has he done about it?  What has the candidate you are backing done about it?  What is your solution that is so much better than the advice of the "pro-rape" crowd?  And you think your solution is really going to move the needle?