Cold War Survivor: Soviet &"sister" party leaders: IMRE NAGY is the SURVIVOR !

[Хahar 🤔]

Kadar

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Khrushchev

For all those Jaruzelski was least bad

[big bad fab]

OMG, all Polish leaders are out in an astounding series... Jaruzelski is the last one.
Even if I've changed my vote in Khrushchev, there would have been a tie.
I've waited a bit more for GMantis and BRTD but we need to open the next round.

ROUND TWENTY-NINE IS OPEN

I vote for... Khrushchev
(voting Kadar while wishing that Mr. K is eliminated is a bit silly...)

Also, can we have a little debate: why is Andropov is still here and with absolutely NO vote until now, what is more ?

As for me, I know why, but it's for bad reasons: tough and mysterious guy, the "last chance" man, in power when I was 12 years old and fast becoming a lil' (bad) kremlinologist, my first subscription of Le Monde paper with, on frontpage, "La mort de M. Iouri Andropov" (underlined and thick),... Nostalgia...

But, well Andropov, even if he wasn't Ordzhonikidze, Iezhov, Beria, Shelepin and even if he opposed a military intervention in Poland in 1980-81,
was president of the KGB.
He wasn't at all opposed to interventions in Czechoslovakia (68) and in Afghanistan (79).
He took a big part in crushing Budapest 56.
In the autumn of 1983, the destruction of the Korean Boeing was very frightening.
He was very tough on the missile crisis in Europe.
His aim was more to be efficient, not liberal or democratic: that's why he didn't want to waste troops and finances in Poland.

Please, do not change your vote, but just discuss.

[Edu]

Khrushchev

[GMantis]

Michail Gorbachev. It's time to get rid of him. He bears most of the responsibility for all the disasters which befell the Soviet Union after his blunders caused its collapse.
Andropov was trying to reform the Soviet Union, but in a way that wouldn't necessarily have led to its collapse. It was rather unfortunate he died so soon.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Khrushchev

[Hans-im-Glück]

Nikita Khrushchev

[SPC]

Khrushchev

[Хahar 🤔]

Kadar

I like Khrushchev.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Khrushchev

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I'm dissapointed Jaruzelski has been eliminated. After all he actually played a huge role in ending of communism and was the first to talk and deal with opposition.

And so, ironically, he accomplished more good than Nagy or Dubcek, who failed.

[big bad fab]

A big one is out, Nikita Khrushchev, with a clear majority.

ROUND THIRTY IS OPEN
Vote away !
List of remaining leaders and results in opening post

I vote for Kadar.

He betrayed Nagy, he was hypocritical, he let Hungary a bit quieter than in other countries but without really much liberalization and with very bad economic results, he grew more and more Brezhnevian in his style and behaviour.
A mediocre leader.

[Hans-im-Glück]

Janos Kadar

[big bad fab]

Statistics updated, including round 29:

Biggest total of votes in the round when eliminated:
Stalin: 10
Chernenko, Husak: 7

Lowest total of votes in the round when eliminated:
Zhivkov, Ulbricht, Novotny, Alia, Malenkov, Jakes, Jaruzelski: 3

Biggest number of rounds without any vote:
Nagy, Grosz, Dubcek, Andropov: 29 (and on)
Gorbachev 28
Kania: 26

Biggest vote in a round though not being eliminated:
Ceausescu: 4

Biggest total of votes up to elimination:
Khrushchev: 17
Krenz: 13
Bierut, Chervenkov, Husak: 12
Stalin, Ceausescu: 10

Biggest rates of votes when eliminated:
Stalin: 100%
Ochab: 85,7%
Chernenko: 83,3%
Bierut: 80%
Husak: 77,8%
Ceausescu, Gerö, Honecker, Krenz, Khrushchev: 75%

Lowest rates of votes when eliminated:
Zhivkov, Alia: 37,5%
Kania 40%
Jaruzelski 42,9%
Gottwald: 44,4%
Ulbricht, Novotny, Malenkov, Pieck, Jakes: 50%

Eliminated without having received votes in previous rounds:
Stalin (no previous round), Hoxha, Gheorghiu-Dej, Ulbricht, Novotny, Dimitrov, Pieck, Jakes, Apostol, Gierek, Kania

Biggest delay between first vote and ousting:
Husak: 11->21, Khrushchev 19->29
Gomulka: 10->19
Krenz: 14->22
Honecker: 9->16, Ochab 18->25

Biggest turnout:
10 (rounds one and twenty-seven)

Lowest turnout:
5 (round seven)

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Kadar

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yuri Andropov

[Edu]

Kadar

[GMantis]

Mikhail Gorbachev

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Yuri Andropov

[Хahar 🤔]

Kadar

[big bad fab]

Kadar is out.

ROUND THIRTY-ONE IS OPEN
Vote away !
Remaining leaders and results in opening post

I vote for Andropov...

Well, he was fascinating (and made all he can through many... "friends" in the West to be so).
But was he more than a clever and clean Putin ?
Note that being Putin with cleverness and without corruption, it's a lot !
And had he lived and succeeded at least a bit (he couldn't have saved the USSR, though, which was too broken at the time), I don't know if Western people would have been so happy...

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yuri Andropov

[Hans-im-Glück]

Yuri Andropov

[GMantis]

Michail Gorbachev
I'm not certain that Andropov could not save the USSR. Of course, it probably couldn't be saved in the way Gorbachev wanted to save it, but a more authoritarian system could be perhaps be successful. Perhaps it would be better for most Soviet Union citizens in the long term.

[Edu]

Andropov