Mideast Assembly Thread

[California8429]

I agree with Inks. Let's get this bill passed fast

[California8429]

I don't expect much debate on the Kudzu bill, so here's the plan:

Assuming no debate on the Kudzu bill, we'll have a vote on that tonight.  Debate will continue on GI JANE.  Then we'll either vote on GI JANE, or if that debate goes on for a while, we'll vote on the abortion bill while still working out the details of GI JANE.

with the suggestions of the GM, would I be able to give it a final update?

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GI JANE
Growth. In. Jobs. And. New. Economy.
WHEREAS: Unemployment is at 12.1% in the Mideast with over 7 million citizen unemployed and
WHEREAS: Most citizens are employed in small businesses and consumer confidence is down
BE IT RESOLVED:
SECTION 1:
1.   Any business that creates 1 new job and currently has under 15 employees will be given a $2,000 corporate tax credit effective immediately after the passage of the bill into law for one year after. A $500 corporate tax credit will be given to each corporation that creates a 2nd job. A corporation may only receive $2,000 tax credit for creating one job, or a combined $2,500 for creating two jobs.
2.   There shall be no waiting period for a business or company to start after government forms are approved.
3.   Drop the corporate tax rate to 22%.
4.   Cut capital gains tax by 4% for incomes over $500,000 and 7% for incomes under $500,000.
5.   Welfare program requires 40 hours a week of, or a combination of, education (to receive a GED), job training, work, or community service, for those that are deemed “fit to work” by the Mideast Government. Every welfare recipient deemed “able to work” must find work within two years of being enrolled in a Mideast welfare program or four years if the recipient is attending education at any level. Clause 5 will be headed by a task force appointed by the Governor, approved by the assembly which will be part of the Mideast Welfare Program.
SECTION 2:
6.   Departments and committees of government in the Mideast will eliminate overlapping responsibilities, tasks and programs to save tax-payer funding and to guarantee no business has to file or complete the same form or paperwork more than once. Each department and committee will send one representative to a weekly meeting in which they will decide who will have what specific responsibility that they alone will posses. The “Government Employment Committee” headed by an appointee by the Governor, confirmed by the Assembly will lead these meetings. These positions will be non-playable.
7.   Eliminate all subsides to farms that are deemed inactive and are paid to not produce or grow crops, livestock, etc.
8.   The Mideast government must buy products and materials to complete projects that are the cheapest on the market when the material is non-essential to safety and not needed for efficiency (examples: toilet, paper clips, hammers)
9.   Projects of the Mideast government carried out by private companies must be chosen based on the cheapest, most efficient budget requested.
10.   Halt Mideast government purchase of land for one year unless in case of emergency related to public health and safety.
11.   Eliminate corporate subsidies for corporations that cannot provide a business plan or execute a plan that will bring in a profit within 3 years or a profit enough to pay off the subsidies in 9 years giving the corporation the option time for research, development, innovation and improvement or let a different, profitable, efficient company replace the failing corporation. A corporation may be exempt from clause 11 if the corporation is deemed a necessity to the Mideast’s public safety or otherwise noted and regulated by the Mideast Assembly and Governor.
12.   The Mideast “Government Employment Committee” will recommend and advise to cut jobs they deem “unneeded” or not beneficial to the Assembly, Governor or any Department or Committee to eliminate.

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At long last: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=101096.msg2482734#msg2482734

A couple of clarifications could affect the numbers I have there.

I notice, Mr. GM, your analysis left out any effect (i.e. deficits) from these tax cuts and credits. While I understand that properly applied tax cuts can sometime create more revenue in the long run through increased economic production than lost through reduced taxes collected, but frequently there's still an overall revenue loss as the laws of diminishing returns kick in.

Like Happy Warrior, I'm sceptical these tax breaks won't result in an overall loss of revenue--possibly drastically. That isn't to say this plan is necessarily unwarranted even if it increases the deficit, as temporarily running a deficit may be warranted in an effort to "prim the pump" for the region's lagging economy.

The economic effects of Clauses 7, 10, & 11 aren't measured either. This is important as, even IF such measures are necessary in the long term, they would undoubtedly negatively effect hob growth.

All budget cuts were not measured though, so keep that in mind that we only got the revenue lost, not saved

[California8429]

At long last: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=101096.msg2482734#msg2482734

A couple of clarifications could affect the numbers I have there.

I notice, Mr. GM, your analysis left out any effect (i.e. deficits) from these tax cuts and credits. While I understand that properly applied tax cuts can sometime create more revenue in the long run through increased economic production than lost through reduced taxes collected, but frequently there's still an overall revenue loss as the laws of diminishing returns kick in.

Like Happy Warrior, I'm sceptical these tax breaks won't result in an overall loss of revenue--possibly drastically. That isn't to say this plan is necessarily unwarranted even if it increases the deficit, as temporarily running a deficit may be warranted in an effort to "prim the pump" for the region's lagging economy.

The economic effects of Clauses 7, 10, & 11 aren't measured either. This is important as, even IF such measures are necessary in the long term, they would undoubtedly negatively effect hob growth.

My projections take all of that into account. The "cost" accounts for reduced expenditures (e.g. cutting farm subsidies) and lost revenue (e.g. tax credits). Those projections have the stated impact on the deficit, thus it will increase the deficit by $3 billion for each of the next two years and $10 billion over 10 years.

Does it include the cost saved with the drop in unemployment and welfare recipents?

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I'm not an assemblyman yet, but I'm thinking about proposing a bill when I get elected, cutting the burning of fossil fuels in the Mideast by 20%.
What do you think?

what would be the timeframe? Not possible in less then 20 years, and even 30 years is very much pushing it. We can't just expect to wake up and power tens and tens of millions in the Mideast without fossil fuels.

Before this is considered there needs to be break throughs in R&D on multiple levels and areas of alternative energy. Which is what the Assembly has been recently pushing (see my Algae bill).

[California8429]

How about 20% reduction in the emission of fossil fuels?

why are you asking again?

[California8429]

I personally would like to get rid of the lowering of the corporate tax as well as the cuts to the capital gains taxes.  These cuts are not workable in the current economy from what I've seen.

the GM said that the job creation coming of this bill was from the tax cuts. We aren't going to ever control unemployment and bring it down to reasonable numbers without welcoming business.

[California8429]

AYE

[California8429]

A 20% percent reduction in the emission of fossil fuels in the next 30 years.

Is it your way of campaigning ?

I'm not sure shouting things repeatedly from the lobbies of this Assembly is the most efficient way to get elected...

Order, please

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Thankyou Mr. Speaker,

BBF, would pulling subsidies for inactive farms over 3-4 years be good? Any longer then that and we are very much still funding some farms to not be farmers. Also subsidies will not be cut when those farmers are in R&D stages.

[California8429]

Thankyou Mr. Speaker,

BBF, would pulling subsidies for inactive farms over 3-4 years be good? Any longer then that and we are very much still funding some farms to not be farmers. Also subsidies will not be cut when those farmers are in R&D stages.

What R&D?

Any testing of products or use of the farm for R&D, like algae

[California8429]

Thankyou Mr. Speaker,

BBF, would pulling subsidies for inactive farms over 3-4 years be good? Any longer then that and we are very much still funding some farms to not be farmers. Also subsidies will not be cut when those farmers are in R&D stages.

What R&D?

Any testing of products or use of the farm for R&D, like algae

I mean how are farmers involved in R&D?

by using their farms for the research, however that means they are active. I was just clearing that up for any possible confusing that if a farm was involved in R&D over a regular year if that counted. Though I'm not sure many farmers at all would be affected at all. But in the algae bill we gave incentives to R&D

[California8429]

Thankyou Mr. Speaker,

BBF, would pulling subsidies for inactive farms over 3-4 years be good? Any longer then that and we are very much still funding some farms to not be farmers. Also subsidies will not be cut when those farmers are in R&D stages.

What R&D?

Any testing of products or use of the farm for R&D, like algae

I mean how are farmers involved in R&D?

by using their farms for the research, however that means they are active. I was just clearing that up for any possible confusing that if a farm was involved in R&D over a regular year if that counted. Though I'm not sure many farmers at all would be affected at all. But in the algae bill we gave incentives to R&D

This bill in its entirety seems to be harmful to farmers as well as beneficial mainly to large corporations.

it restricts bailouts to large corporations and ends waste. Why should we pay farmers to NOT work? I'm for helping them out TO work, but it makes no sense to me to send them money in return for letting their fields sit without crops or animals

[California8429]

Thankyou Mr. Speaker,

BBF, would pulling subsidies for inactive farms over 3-4 years be good? Any longer then that and we are very much still funding some farms to not be farmers. Also subsidies will not be cut when those farmers are in R&D stages.

What R&D?

Any testing of products or use of the farm for R&D, like algae

I mean how are farmers involved in R&D?

by using their farms for the research, however that means they are active. I was just clearing that up for any possible confusing that if a farm was involved in R&D over a regular year if that counted. Though I'm not sure many farmers at all would be affected at all. But in the algae bill we gave incentives to R&D

This bill in its entirety seems to be harmful to farmers as well as beneficial mainly to large corporations.

it restricts bailouts to large corporations and ends waste. Why should we pay farmers to NOT work? I'm for helping them out TO work, but it makes no sense to me to send them money in return for letting their fields sit without crops or animals

By the way, this is the only thing that has been done recently to my knowledge about subsidies.  https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Atlasian_Agriculture_Reinvestment_Act

Also to qualify for subsidies they must plant, they can't just get the money and do nothing with it.

but since we don't have an actual budget, I'm including this to reassure ourselves of something we should be doing in the first place. No use wasting money when we can be cutting the defecit and creating jobs instead.

[California8429]

Thankyou Mr. Speaker,

BBF, would pulling subsidies for inactive farms over 3-4 years be good? Any longer then that and we are very much still funding some farms to not be farmers. Also subsidies will not be cut when those farmers are in R&D stages.

What R&D?

Any testing of products or use of the farm for R&D, like algae

I mean how are farmers involved in R&D?

by using their farms for the research, however that means they are active. I was just clearing that up for any possible confusing that if a farm was involved in R&D over a regular year if that counted. Though I'm not sure many farmers at all would be affected at all. But in the algae bill we gave incentives to R&D

This bill in its entirety seems to be harmful to farmers as well as beneficial mainly to large corporations.

it restricts bailouts to large corporations and ends waste. Why should we pay farmers to NOT work? I'm for helping them out TO work, but it makes no sense to me to send them money in return for letting their fields sit without crops or animals

By the way, this is the only thing that has been done recently to my knowledge about subsidies.  https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Atlasian_Agriculture_Reinvestment_Act

Also to qualify for subsidies they must plant, they can't just get the money and do nothing with it.

but since we don't have an actual budget, I'm including this to reassure ourselves of something we should be doing in the first place. No use wasting money when we can be cutting the defecit and creating jobs instead.

This would get rid of the jobs of farmers, rather than adding new jobs.

yes, cutting the jobs and pay to those that do not work anyways.

[California8429]

Thankyou Mr. Speaker,

BBF, would pulling subsidies for inactive farms over 3-4 years be good? Any longer then that and we are very much still funding some farms to not be farmers. Also subsidies will not be cut when those farmers are in R&D stages.

What R&D?

Any testing of products or use of the farm for R&D, like algae

I mean how are farmers involved in R&D?

by using their farms for the research, however that means they are active. I was just clearing that up for any possible confusing that if a farm was involved in R&D over a regular year if that counted. Though I'm not sure many farmers at all would be affected at all. But in the algae bill we gave incentives to R&D

This bill in its entirety seems to be harmful to farmers as well as beneficial mainly to large corporations.

it restricts bailouts to large corporations and ends waste. Why should we pay farmers to NOT work? I'm for helping them out TO work, but it makes no sense to me to send them money in return for letting their fields sit without crops or animals

By the way, this is the only thing that has been done recently to my knowledge about subsidies.  https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Atlasian_Agriculture_Reinvestment_Act

Also to qualify for subsidies they must plant, they can't just get the money and do nothing with it.

but since we don't have an actual budget, I'm including this to reassure ourselves of something we should be doing in the first place. No use wasting money when we can be cutting the defecit and creating jobs instead.

This would get rid of the jobs of farmers, rather than adding new jobs.

yes, cutting the jobs and pay to those that do not work anyways.

The only subsidies paid to farmers to not grow crops are paid to individuals to not grow tobacco, which my federal bill eliminated, in essense this would do nothing.

then why are you afraid of it? It just reassures us for sure that farmers are paid to be active farmers and not inactive since we cannot be 100% sure without a real budget.

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By the way I will be writing a bill establishing a regional budget soon.

WOOT!!

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My big concerns lie with taxes and spending.  I don't think that tax cuts will be able to make up much of the lost revenue, especially now.  I'm also concerned that the spending cuts will have negative impacts on the most important areas like education and health care.  Unless GI Jane is seriously amended, it won't have my vote.

can you point out the clauses that cut education and health care? Cutting overlapping projects that are doing the exact same thing is only fiscally responsible. Having one committee in charge of a project over three that are all doing the same thing with different titles is what I've intended in the bill

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My big concerns lie with taxes and spending.  I don't think that tax cuts will be able to make up much of the lost revenue, especially now.  I'm also concerned that the spending cuts will have negative impacts on the most important areas like education and health care.  Unless GI Jane is seriously amended, it won't have my vote.

can you point out the clauses that cut education and health care? Cutting overlapping projects that are doing the exact same thing is only fiscally responsible. Having one committee in charge of a project over three that are all doing the same thing with different titles is what I've intended in the bill

I think Ben means--quite correctly--that the tremendous scale of tax cuts proposed here will drastically reduce government revenues necessary to fund crucial regional services such as education and health care (and law enforcement, and job training, and environmental protection, etc.). Your bill doesn't call for such cuts explicitly, but the $3 billion shortfall ($10 bil over 10--and I still think the GM was being generous considering the scope of these cuts) will require cuts in such necessary services as sure as night follows day.

Sadly, the old bromides about curing the deficit by "eliminating fraud and waste" or making it up with increased economic production doesn't pan out, as Bush clearly demonstrated.

If however we got a real budget law passed first...then we could actually control government cost and make this resonable which would create millions of jobs. Win-win there so we don't have to cut education or health care necessities

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GI JANE
Growth. In. Jobs. And. New. Economy.
WHEREAS: Unemployment is at 12.1% in the Mideast with over 7 million citizen unemployed and
WHEREAS: Most citizens are employed in small businesses and consumer confidence is down
BE IT RESOLVED:
SECTION 1:
1.   Any business that creates 1 new job and currently has under 15 employees will be given a $2,000 corporate tax credit effective immediately after the passage of the bill into law for one year after. A $500 corporate tax credit will be given to each corporation that creates a 2nd job. A corporation may only receive $2,000 tax credit for creating one job, or a combined $2,500 for creating two jobs.
2.   There shall be no waiting period for a business or company to start after government forms are approved.
3.   Drop the corporate tax rate to 22%.
4.   Cut capital gains tax by 4% for incomes over $500,000 and 7% for incomes under $500,000.
5.   Welfare program requires 40 hours a week of, or a combination of, education (to receive a GED), job training, work, or community service, for those that are deemed “fit to work” by the Mideast Government. Every welfare recipient deemed “able to work” must find work within two years of being enrolled in a Mideast welfare program or four years if the recipient is attending education at any level. Clause 5 will be headed by a task force appointed by the Governor, approved by the assembly which will be part of the Mideast Welfare Program.
SECTION 2:
6.   Departments and committees of government in the Mideast will eliminate overlapping responsibilities, tasks and programs to save tax-payer funding and to guarantee no business has to file or complete the same form or paperwork more than once. Each department and committee will send one representative to a weekly meeting in which they will decide who will have what specific responsibility that they alone will posses. The “Government Employment Committee” headed by an appointee by the Governor, confirmed by the Assembly will lead these meetings. These positions will be non-playable.
7.   Eliminate all subsides to farms that are deemed inactive and are paid to not produce or grow crops, livestock, etc over a 3 year period.
8.   The Mideast government must buy products and materials to complete projects that are the cheapest on the market when the material is non-essential to safety and not needed for efficiency (examples: toilet, paper clips, hammers)
9.   Projects of the Mideast government carried out by private companies must be chosen based on the cheapest, most efficient budget requested.
10.   Halt Mideast government purchase of land for one year unless in case of emergency related to public health and safety.
11.   Eliminate corporate subsidies for corporations that cannot provide a business plan or execute a plan that will bring in a profit within 3 years or a profit enough to pay off the subsidies in 9 years giving the corporation the option time for research, development, innovation and improvement or let a different, profitable, efficient company replace the failing corporation. A corporation may be exempt from clause 11 if the corporation is deemed a necessity to the Mideast’s public safety or otherwise noted and regulated by the Mideast Assembly and Governor.
12.   The Mideast “Government Employment Committee” will recommend and advise to cut jobs they deem “unneeded” or not beneficial to the Assembly, Governor or any Department or Committee to eliminate.

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AYE

[California8429]

I'm for this bill

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AYE

[California8429]

As one of my last pushes as a Assemblyman.... I urge the Governor to sign this piece of legislation. We do have rights, and so do those that are not yet out of the womb. We cannot simply throw their rights and lives out simply because they cannot speak against us as we all can to one another. These children can be the next doctors, lawyers, statesmen, inventors...they may be the one to cure cancer, or get the region to run on algae, or help get millions back on their feet. It is more important to care for them and protect them then others because they do not have the ability yet to do so themselves.

I believe those who have a child when it doesn't involve rape or incest should face up to their actions unless something like the life or health of the mother is at stake. There is adoption, there are families who cannot have kids and families who would want to bring in a new joy in their life. It is not fair to them that we decide to terminate their life without their consent or say.

Those who lift themselves up are the most powerful and influential figures of our time. We should not allow abortion to be used freely just because we can. We have the ability destroy lives, but we choose not to. Why should this be thought any differently? Compassion, love and the hard road create the greatest people.
I urge the Governor to let this become law.