Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If thats what you want I suggest you look for a different site. I fully intend to argue for nothing less then what I truly beleive here.

Then argue for what you believe in you holier-than-thou arrogant prick. I'll do precisely the same thing, and we'll see where that gets us.

You ask me to compromise what I beleive because "its a game". I am sorry if I am not the moderate hero you thought I was originally. You didn't have to come to my office thread and say " I trully like the way you operate". I am not moderate. I am insane, mentally unstable right wing extremist with a populist tilt who hates Liberals, Socialists, Centrists, hypocrits, and especially modern Europeans with few exceptions. You fit four of those, so things never looked good for us from the start.

You know the irony is, I wasn't intending to be holier then thou. I guess its too late now to clarify that though.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If thats what you want I suggest you look for a different site. I fully intend to argue for nothing less then what I truly beleive here.

Then argue for what you believe in you holier-than-thou arrogant prick. I'll do precisely the same thing, and we'll see where that gets us.

You ask me to compromise what I beleive because "its a game". I am sorry if I am not the moderate hero you thought I was originally. You didn't have to come to my office thread and say " I trully like the way you operate". I am not moderate. I am insane, mentally unstable right wing extremist with a populist tilt who hates Liberals, Socialists, Centrists, hypocrits, and especially modern Europeans with few exceptions. You fit four of those, so things never looked good for us from the start.

You know the irony is, I wasn't intending to be holier then thou. I guess its too late now to clarify that though.

I suppose I had to learn that through experience, but your own recognition of those facts does suggest that not all hope is lost.

There is no such thing as hope. There is only disappointment. I regret a lot of things in life most notably the fact that I am in fact alive. Too say I regret saying that would just add one more thing to list of things I already regret. I didn't ask for Neurosis, I didn't ask for Depression, and I didn't ask for IBS, yet I got everyone of them. I don't see where there is any room for hope anymore. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If thats what you want I suggest you look for a different site. I fully intend to argue for nothing less then what I truly beleive here.

Then argue for what you believe in you holier-than-thou arrogant prick. I'll do precisely the same thing, and we'll see where that gets us.

You ask me to compromise what I beleive because "its a game". I am sorry if I am not the moderate hero you thought I was originally. You didn't have to come to my office thread and say " I trully like the way you operate". I am not moderate. I am insane, mentally unstable right wing extremist with a populist tilt who hates Liberals, Socialists, Centrists, hypocrits, and especially modern Europeans with few exceptions. You fit four of those, so things never looked good for us from the start.

You know the irony is, I wasn't intending to be holier then thou. I guess its too late now to clarify that though.

I suppose I had to learn that through experience, but your own recognition of those facts does suggest that not all hope is lost.

There is no such thing as hope. There is only disappointment. I regret a lot of things in life most notably the fact that I am in fact alive. Too say I regret saying that would just add one more thing to list of things I already regret. I didn't ask for Neurosis, I didn't ask for Depression, and I didn't ask for IBS, yet I got everyone of them. I don't see where there is any room for hope anymore. 

Thats not funny Marokai, not in the slightest. Your attempts to lighten the mood will only piss me off more. If you truly seek to escalate the situation, then I would question as to just what kind of sick f**k you really are.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What would an appropriate response have been?

Nothing, just let me cool off. You at least had the courtesy to due that.

Yankee, just relax. This isn't a big deal to get this upset over. Really.

I am more pissed at you then I am at Franzl right now and if that was the intent all along, I must say you played me like a harp.

Just for the record I am not suicidal. I am however suffering from those three illnesses mentioned though.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Thats not how it is in the US

But this isn't the U.S. Of course there's nothing wrong with influence from American institutions, but equally it's not binding either. Most upper houses do not have the power to introduce legislation - indeed, this is often viewed as a basic constitutional requirement. The U.S Senate is a strange institution that has had very little influence on parliamentary institutions in other countries.

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You appear to use words in a different way to the rest of us. I have never seen the word "lie" abused so violently.

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I do wonder who "You guys" are. Fwiw I've only recently become aware of the idea of a "CoG" and know nothing of how it would work in theory and don't know whether I'd support it or not as I spent the first third or so of the relevant time working on my dissertation, and the second two thirds or so in hospital. You aren't going to win many people over to your point of view if you get so angry and so paranoid that you think that everyone is part of a grand conspiracy against you and what you're pleased to think of as your thinking.

My whole life is paranoia. Paranoia about where I will be living in a few months, how I will be eating. I am sorry if that keeps coming out here but its just a part of me now.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Max, I was just kidding.

Yankee may have some problems that we do or do not know about, but he doesn't need to tell us about how he's deeply paranoid and unstable. That's just not something you randomly say in public, is all.

The reason I said it publically is because I am not a jerk and I would not due and act like this in my normall state, and I would prefer to let you know about this then have you think that I would indeed due and say some of these things.

Just for the record I am not suicidal. I am however suffering from those three illnesses mentioned though.

Well, it takes courage to say than we have mental illnesses and I will stand against those who insult and bully people who are suffering of mental illnesses.

My best friend had one and this is very difficult. That is enough complicated to manage, you don't need to be picked on for that, too.

That is a little bit insensible, Marokai.

What makes it worse, Maxy is that Marokai has known about this since about July or August, just to put it in perspective.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Would never fly, cause Marokai, JAs and co already have there "compromise" and everyone who opposes it is an ideologue who refuses to compromise.

Not to let the facts get in your way, again, but I'll happily restate that I disapprove of the CoG proposal.

Your, right, I am sorry for including you there. It was highly unfair and I apoligize. To be honest I would much rather we had just a consideration for having 10 At-large Senate seats and no CoG. At least it would get 70-30 consideration leaning towards against, instead of 100% opposition like the so called "compromise".

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Its a freakin all out assualt on Regional Rights. If the DS wants to preserve the Death penalty that is none of anyone elses businesses. We refused to be governed by the Mideast laws, Franzl. How would you like it if we foisted ours on you? You want war, then war you shall get.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Anti Speculation Act:

1.) On all stock market transactions will be charged a tax of 1% of the volume.

1.1) This tax is not applicable when between buying and selling is more than a year.

2.) For all foreign exchange transactions gives it generally a tax of 0.25% of the volume.

3.) All revenues flow to a Deposit insurance to protect bank depositors for banks which are in payment trouble. If a bank must take to claim this Deposit insurance, she goes on to state ownership.

This law will make short-term speculative transactions unprofitable and the money for the troubled banks comes from those who are to blame.


This is my first proposal and I think it's a bill we really need.

I agree. Tell me though, would this expand the FDIC to cover Investment banks. Currently they only insure bank deposits. I also don't much care for the idea of Investment banks thinking they can take risks and just get bailed out everytime.

I am currently working on broader regulatory reforms. I would appreciated any ideas or input you may have.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Its better but I must ask whats the difference in having the PPT step in when the Veep is innactive then having the Veep step in when the PPT is innactive?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Its better but I must ask whats the difference in having the PPT step in when the Veep is innactive then having the Veep step in when the PPT is innactive?

It would give the PPT more time to debate. MJ rarely debated back when he was PPT after all.

I am not MJ. I don't beleive Marokai refrained from debating contentious topics when he was PPT and I plan to continue to debate topics just as much as I previously did. The PPT stuff is easy, especially with the Senate as active as it is now. I don't see how any PPT wouldn't "have the time" to debate.


If MJ refrained from debate it was because he felt obligated to do so as part of his position. I feel that is unnecessary but respectable overkill. As long as the PPT can separate his duties from PPT from the debate which I can and will, this won't be an issue.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Hey! Where's the controversial, ideological legislation?

Would you be willing to help me look for it, I have been searching high low for it since New Years?

I should file a missing person's report.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I still see no reason behind this, that isn't politically motivated. Unity tickets both give and take away from competativeness. Usually though a party alliance doesn't last very long in Atlasia, so I don't see the urgent need or justification.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

And here I was worried the Senate would move so fast that I would fall behind in votes by being sick and thus not online as much. I knew you guys would have my back. Thanks for being so cough...incompe.. ahh considerate. cough cough.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If the Senate consents, I'll come to to the table representing that chamber.

We should probably have a second representative. Although these are reletively non-partisan technocratic issues, at least one Senate rep should be a veteran representive of the conservative wing. Interested Yank? Duke?

I might be interested, but I will warn that between school at day, and my brother taking an "online" course, getting on everyday is difficult.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Yep, here we go again.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Introduced on behalf of the Renaissance Caucus and Peter.

BK, do you think we can ram this through by the Friday?

Sorry for not responding earlier, but no; giving it the minimum debate time would have given it less than a day's leeway before the new Senate. If it was even friendlily amended it would be pushed into the new session. Best to wait, I think. I'll gladly reintroduce it myself, even

Yea, I will withraw it untill then.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Due to Bgwah's amendment to the CCJA last month, isn't Clause one of Section one about impersonation reduntant with Clause 7 of section one?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Nationalisation of the Petroleum Industry Act

Recognising the failure of the petroleum industry in it's duties of supplying oil at affordable prices

And recognising that there is a need for petroleum to be organised as a social service rather than for profit, and that there is a need for all profits to be divested in further increasing efficiency.

BE IT HEREBY ENACTED THAT: All oil and petroleum companies will be hereby taken into public ownership as the Atlaspetrol Corporation and shall be run as a subsidary of the Department of the Interior on behalf on the people of Atlasia.

lol Nationalization is not the answer to this problem. A prime example would be the failure that has been Pemex in Mexico. The job of the oil companies is not to provide oil at the prices my newly minted Communist friend's views as "affordable". Their job is to supply a demand for energy and make a profit by doing it. The global market dictates the oil prices and it is clear that with the exception of short term speculation the long term upward trends in oil prices are driven by the strength/weakness of the dollar and the most of all by rising global demand, especially in India and China. Consider also that Corporate profits on oil are 8 cents on the dollar. A good but not extreme rate of return. There is no evidence of widespread price gouging. What there is evidence of it, is gov't regulations restricting the production and refining capacities and thus raising the prices. If you want to lower prices and maybe even  create some jobs, why not lesson some of the environmental restrictions and ease the red tape and allow the building of a 50 our so new refineries with up to date technology which would be 1) more efficient, and 2) much safer, then the aging overworked refineries currently in service. Let us also remember that oil reached the lowest prices in the history of the industry when the evil monopolist John D. Rockefeller was working that detestable black magic known as free market capitalism.

You want to lower oil prices, well lets follow the rules of the market. Supply goes up and the prices drop. To create more supply you have to hire thousands of new workers. Another way is to reduce demand, lets diversify the energy and transportation system, get airplanes running on coal to liquid, get car fleet running on 3 or 4 different fuels (like gas, diesel, Natural gas, electricity, and hydrogen). Get the Busses running on Natural gas. Switch people over from heating oil to Natural gas. Thats called innovation, and competition, the prime movers of the free market. I will take that any day over some bureaucrat in DC dictating the prices and causing long lines and fuel shortages in the process. Some gov't intervention may be required but nothing as destructive and counterproductive as this.

I agree, what happened to old freedom fighter?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would just like to alert my, uhm, 'esteemed colleagues' that Atlasian legislation requires that the Senate read and approve the SoEA's latest Foreign Policy Review, which was completed over a month ago. Nudge nudge wink wink, pals.

I would suggest a direct PM to a specific Senator with instructions of what to do would be more effective. This is why I kind of hoped HW would have been elected to the Senate because there currently is no one who really digs foreign policies. Maybe we should deligate certain responsibilities to a specific Senator whose job is to handle business with the SoEA as opposed to just putting the stuff out there and hope a Senator passes by. Whenever I found myself in situation to get the ball rolling, I take the initiative but in this case, I haven't the slightest idea how that particular process works.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Break the Chains Act

1. Companies or individuals which possess 2 to 3 retail outlets or stores, inclusive, shall be assessed a differential tax of 1% on their annual profits.

2. Companies or individuals which possess 4 to 9 retail outlets or stores, inclusive, shall be assessed a differential tax of 4% on their annual profits.

3. Companies or individuals which possess 10 or more retail outlets or stores shall be assessed a differential tax of 7% on their annual profits.

4. Funds collected from these taxes shall be deposited in what will be established as a Small Business Protection Fund.

5. Companies or individuals which possess only 1 retail outlet shall be eligible to apply for a credit to be paid from this Fund.

6. Based on the total number of businesses which apply each year, credits issued to each business should be an equal share of the total fund, except that no business may receive a credit equivalent to more than 100% of its total annual tax burden.

7. The Fund may not be used for any other purpose, unless specifically allocated by future laws.

A fine and noble law if one's goal is to add 2% to the unemployement line.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Break the Chains Act

1. Companies or individuals which possess 2 to 3 retail outlets or stores, inclusive, shall be assessed a differential tax of 1% on their annual profits.

2. Companies or individuals which possess 4 to 9 retail outlets or stores, inclusive, shall be assessed a differential tax of 4% on their annual profits.

3. Companies or individuals which possess 10 or more retail outlets or stores shall be assessed a differential tax of 7% on their annual profits.

4. Funds collected from these taxes shall be deposited in what will be established as a Small Business Protection Fund.

5. Companies or individuals which possess only 1 retail outlet shall be eligible to apply for a credit to be paid from this Fund.

6. Based on the total number of businesses which apply each year, credits issued to each business should be an equal share of the total fund, except that no business may receive a credit equivalent to more than 100% of its total annual tax burden.

7. The Fund may not be used for any other purpose, unless specifically allocated by future laws.

A fine and noble law if one's goal is to add 2% to the unemployement line.

Any loss of jobs on the part of big business would be more than offset by the success of small businesses which will be able to hire more employees- and stay in business in the first place.

In certain areas yes but not in all where the small stores have gone out of business already. Its an unnecessary move in a time in which we can ill afford to do so.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Break the Chains Act

1. Companies or individuals which possess 2 to 3 retail outlets or stores, inclusive, shall be assessed a differential tax of 1% on their annual profits.

2. Companies or individuals which possess 4 to 9 retail outlets or stores, inclusive, shall be assessed a differential tax of 4% on their annual profits.

3. Companies or individuals which possess 10 or more retail outlets or stores shall be assessed a differential tax of 7% on their annual profits.

4. Funds collected from these taxes shall be deposited in what will be established as a Small Business Protection Fund.

5. Companies or individuals which possess only 1 retail outlet shall be eligible to apply for a credit to be paid from this Fund.

6. Based on the total number of businesses which apply each year, credits issued to each business should be an equal share of the total fund, except that no business may receive a credit equivalent to more than 100% of its total annual tax burden.

7. The Fund may not be used for any other purpose, unless specifically allocated by future laws.

A fine and noble law if one's goal is to add 2% to the unemployement line.

Any loss of jobs on the part of big business would be more than offset by the success of small businesses which will be able to hire more employees- and stay in business in the first place.

In certain areas yes but not in all where the small stores have gone out of business already. Its an unnecessary move in a time in which we can ill afford to do so.

So when would be a good time for something like this then? After all the small businesses have gone out of business already?

When unemployement is lower, then we might be able to "consider" it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Our maybe all those campaign donations from Wal-Mart executives are clouding my judgment.

Nah, that couldn't be.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

That's not a poor idea in theory, although I do share Senator Yankee's concerns that it would raise unemployment (at least temporarily).

Perhaps, but it would indeed be short-term as the workers found better jobs in the greater number of thriving individual small businesses.

Remember also that this is a tax on profits, not income. If a company is being affected by this bill, they will still be making a profit with their current workforce after the tax is deducted.

True, a chain already making profits is unlikely to be forced to lay off people, as opposed to the effects of big minimum wage increases or higher corporate taxation in general.

I think this is worth looking into.

In that case yes it would be.

Our maybe all those campaign donations from Wal-Mart executives are clouding my judgment.

Nah, that couldn't be.

I think from now on I'll call you Blanche Lincoln.

I would strongly encourage you to refrain from doing that.