Primus Inter Pares - February 2005 General Election

[MAINEiac4434]

You already know my vote.

EDIT: I'm refreshing this more than actual election results.

[MAINEiac4434]

Trying to get Liberal Dems their best performance yet! (thankfully not led by lololol Nick Clegg)

I love how it appears that Foster is running to the left of "New Labour".

But yeah. Livingstone cannot stay on as Prime Minister after that shambles.

[MAINEiac4434]

I'm confused to why a hard-left member would support the following, entry into the Euro and adoption of the European Constitution. It makes no sense. They're most opposed to things, especially the Euro.

Because Ken Livingstone is a crazy person who should be nowhere near the halls of power let alone Prime Minister.

My vigorous opposition to him has little to do with his politics and everything to do with the fact that he's a goddamn nutjob, and his shambles of a government proves that.

[MAINEiac4434]

Two things, where do Livingstone and Foster stand on Afghanistan. Along with Foster's position on SSM? Thanks!

In the main thread, Livingstone has already pulled British troops out of Afghanistan. Foster opposed this, but supported Livingstone's choice not to send troops to Africa.

[MAINEiac4434]

I'm confused to why a hard-left member would support the following, entry into the Euro and adoption of the European Constitution. It makes no sense. They're most opposed to things, especially the Euro.

Because Ken Livingstone is a crazy person who should be nowhere near the halls of power let alone Prime Minister.

My vigorous opposition to him has little to do with his politics and everything to do with the fact that he's a goddamn nutjob, and his shambles of a government proves that.

Still the best candidate, imo.

Can't understand how anyone can see him as the best candidate after he basically singlehandedly reignited the Troubles.

[MAINEiac4434]

I'm confused to why a hard-left member would support the following, entry into the Euro and adoption of the European Constitution. It makes no sense. They're most opposed to things, especially the Euro.

Because Ken Livingstone is a crazy person who should be nowhere near the halls of power let alone Prime Minister.

My vigorous opposition to him has little to do with his politics and everything to do with the fact that he's a goddamn nutjob, and his shambles of a government proves that.

Nah, he's more of a typical politician than a crazy person. The most controversial policy of his London mayoralty was the introduction of the congestion charge FFS.

This is the same guy who called Hitler a Zionist.

[MAINEiac4434]

Considering Livingstone's stance on the EU I'll be abstaining.

Vote Lib Dem!!

[MAINEiac4434]

Considering Livingstone's stance on the EU I'll be abstaining.

Vote Lib Dem!!

I'd consider it, but Lib Dem is just a bit too socially and culturally liberal for my tastes. Aren't they pro-EU as well?

Yes. But not like Livingstone.
Then vote Tory! #neverken

[MAINEiac4434]

I'm confused to why a hard-left member would support the following, entry into the Euro and adoption of the European Constitution. It makes no sense. They're most opposed to things, especially the Euro.

Because Ken Livingstone is a crazy person who should be nowhere near the halls of power let alone Prime Minister.

My vigorous opposition to him has little to do with his politics and everything to do with the fact that he's a goddamn nutjob, and his shambles of a government proves that.

Nah, he's more of a typical politician than a crazy person. The most controversial policy of his London mayoralty was the introduction of the congestion charge FFS.

This is the same guy who called Hitler a Zionist.

But that was probably not out of craziness...

Yeah. Just general antisemitism.

[MAINEiac4434]

Fun Fact, Widdecombe still doesn't get anywhere near a majority with those numbers (constituency boundaries really help Labour, particularly on the 2005 model)

If the current numbers hold, Labour actually get 10 more seats than the Tories.

EDIT: even if you combine the New Labour and Liberal Democrat vote they're still up by five over the Tories.

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Current seat projection (Lib Dem and New Labour combined):

Labour: 30.9% (-9.8%), 274 MPs (-133), 50 seats short of majority
Conservatives: 35.9 (+2.3), 254 MPs (+71)
Liberal Democrats/New Labour: 30.9% (+14.4%), 91 MPs (+49)

[MAINEiac4434]

If these numbers hold, Labour would be four short of a majority. I imagine Livingstone would form a precarious minority government, considering a decent portion of his own party would be actively working against him, not to mention the Lib Dems and Tories.

[MAINEiac4434]

Unreal.

I feel sorry for the people in Northern Ireland that will suffer through this terrible result.