Warner or Hillary v. Frist

[Keystone Phil]

Frist would lose 96 style to Clinton, he would be absolutley shallacked against Warner

Is there a level past extreme partisan hack because if there is, that pertains to you.

Do you know what you're talking about? We're talking Bill Frist vs. Hillary Clinton. Sure Frist wouldn't be the greatest candidate but remove yourself from NY for a minute. Americans, overall, do not like Hillary Clinton. To suggest she'd win is crazy enough but saying she'd win like her husband did in 1996 is INSANE.

[Keystone Phil]

Americans, overall, do not like Hillary Clinton.

Seriously?

Do you really believe Americans like Hillary Clinton?

[Keystone Phil]

Frist would lose 96 style to Clinton, he would be absolutley shallacked against Warner

Is there a level past extreme partisan hack because if there is, that pertains to you.

Do you know what you're talking about? We're talking Bill Frist vs. Hillary Clinton. Sure Frist wouldn't be the greatest candidate but remove yourself from NY for a minute. Americans, overall, do not like Hillary Clinton. To suggest she'd win is crazy enough but saying she'd win like her husband did in 1996 is INSANE.

This is BILL FRIST .  We are talking about.  FRIST.  The guy makes Al Gore seem like the most interesting person in the world.  I have said from the start out of the Republican candidates who have the best chance of the nomination their are two I feel with a very slim chance to win.  One is Santorum and the other is Frist, who has even less of a chance than Rick.  Frist has too many (cat) skeletons in his closet, too many issues, is a complete & utter bore, that can't inspire crap & is leading something which will go over HORRIBLY with moderates (the Nuclear option).  He will get blown to bits bty pretty much anyone the Dems throw up there against him, even Hillary

Frist is not the type of figure that Hillary is. Your cat jokes aren't funny anymore, people wouldn't care. Gore and Kerry were bores yet they did pretty well.

Republicans can't stand Hillary and a good amount of Dems don't like her which means Hillary Clinton is very unlikely to become President of the United States.

[Keystone Phil]

Americans, overall, do not like Hillary Clinton.

Seriously?

Many more like her than like Bill Frist

Ask people if they know Bill Frist. Then ask them if they know Hillary. Most don't know Frist. Most do know Hillary. Many people dislike Hillary and would probably go with Frist. For you to suggest that people like her over Bill Frist when not as many know Frist is pretty stupid but, then again, you're the biggest example of a hack on this forum.

[Keystone Phil]

Do you really believe Americans like Hillary Clinton?

Id say a majority of Americans have a positive opinon of Hillary Clinton.  Unless you can prove otherwise?

Prove to me that a majority have a positive opinion.

[Keystone Phil]

If Frist keeps going with this Nuclear Option well he will zoom past the Hillary levels & he is just an easy target to be absolutley ripped to shreds on considering what he did to hold up & block votes on Clinton's judges.  Frist has NO SHOT, NONE, NADA, ZILCH

Hate to break it to you but more people will probably remember HillaryCare from '94 in 2008 than Frist's nuclear option.

[Keystone Phil]

If Frist keeps going with this Nuclear Option well he will zoom past the Hillary levels & he is just an easy target to be absolutley ripped to shreds on considering what he did to hold up & block votes on Clinton's judges.  Frist has NO SHOT, NONE, NADA, ZILCH

Hate to break it to you but more people will probably remember HillaryCare from '94 in 2008 than Frist's nuclear option.

Umm Not quite

Good argument, hack. Do you know how many people still talk about that fiasco even though it was eleven years ago?

[Keystone Phil]

Can you have an argument without resorting to calling people who don't see the world through Republican rose colored glasses a hack??  I explained my point later in the thread if you bothered to read that far, that the Republicans have massive problems with healthcare themselves the refusual by the adminstration to be able to get drugs from Canada (something Frist agrees with the administration on) the refusual by the administration to have the government bargain prices with the pharamcutical companies (something Frist als sgrees with the administration on) & these are things that the public OVERWELMINGLU spports (75-80% +

Republican rosed colored glasses? Smash, most would agree that you are clearly a hack. You have pretty much stated that unless the GOP nominates McCain in 2008 than they will lose and lose by a fairly big margin. You're a hack.

Ask someone about Hillarycare. Then see if they approved of it. People remember it, Smash, and don't like it.

[Keystone Phil]

Well isn't this interesting...

Just a few days ago, I was arguing with nick and Smash about how Hillary Clinton was not popular enough to win the Presidency and that a majority of Americans do not approve of her. Well, I was wrong.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-26-hillary-poll_x.htm

Don't know if I can buy that 53% of Americans would vote for her but I still thought it was worth mentioning. Pretty interesting.

[Keystone Phil]

Well isn't this interesting...

Just a few days ago, I was arguing with nick and Smash about how Hillary Clinton was not popular enough to win the Presidency and that a majority of Americans do not approve of her. Well, I was wrong.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-26-hillary-poll_x.htm

Don't know if I can buy that 53% of Americans would vote for her but I still thought it was worth mentioning. Pretty interesting.

Interesting. I'd rather someone else, but if she's at 53%, I might have to support her in the primary.

Note, though, that people are seeing her as more of a moderate. In a Presidential campaign, that label would not last long with her.

[Keystone Phil]

She is a moderate. She voted for Condi Rice and the Iraq war. She said something about being personally opposed to abortion.

Those three issues don't make someone a moderate.

[Keystone Phil]

She is a moderate. She voted for Condi Rice and the Iraq war. She said something about being personally opposed to abortion.

Those three issues don't make someone a moderate.

 Haha, seriously, what is she liberal on?

  You can't be serious.

[Keystone Phil]

She is a moderate. She voted for Condi Rice and the Iraq war. She said something about being personally opposed to abortion.

Those three issues don't make someone a moderate.

Phil I have to at least give you credit for admitting Hillary is more popular than you thought she was

Give me credit for posting the poll. I'm not sure if I am sure of those numbers. 53% voting for her doesn't seem right and I'm sure that number will go way down when we get closer to 2008.

[Keystone Phil]

She is more popular than you think.  I'm not all that suprised by her #'s.  She is VERY POPULAR in NY and as Senator of NY has made inroads across the country  Her favorability ratings have continued to go up  (you have said you think more people don't like her than like her, but her favorability hasn't been negative in  2 years)

NY is one thing. Last time I checked, this wasn't a race for President of the Empire State.