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Hindsight was 2020
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« on: May 06, 2017, 11:14:01 PM »

So we have this kinda myth of Reagan as this man beloved by all Americans with this great mandate due to his two landslide wins that kinda ignores that he had two horrible midterms in 82 and 86. Im thinking how while not on the same scale that mirrors Obama but unlike Reagan who handed his VP the keys to the WH when his term was done so his legacy lived while Obama handed the key to Cheeto Mussolini. So Im thinking would Reagan have the same great myth around him had in 88 Dukkakis would be the one taking over after him?
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2017, 11:26:44 PM »

Reagan lost 26 house seats and gained a senate seat in 1982. In 1986, he lost 5 house seats and lost 8 senate seats.

In 2010, Obama lost 63 house seats and 6 senate seats. In 2014, he lost 13 house seats and 9 senate seats.

Reagan: lost 32 house seats during midterms, 7 senate seats during midterms.

Obama: Lost 76 house seats during midterms, 15 senate seats.

Those aren't comparable numbers.
Well major difference the dems where really maxed out at the congressional level by the early 80's then the GOP was in 2009-10
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2017, 12:09:27 AM »
« Edited: May 07, 2017, 12:12:49 AM by Hindsight is 2020 »

Reagan was a realigning President. The reason why that wasn't as obvious as it was in say FDR's case is because Tip O'Neill and the Democrats were able to adapt to the new era and work with Reagan whereas the Republicans in the 30's and 40's still fought against FDR's New Deal programs tooth and nail out of sheer stupidity.

The 1994 Republican Revolution made it clear that Reagan had been a realigning President. As does the fact that he created a political environment which forced the opposition Party to moderate drastically to survive. Bill Clinton was forced to govern more like Reagan did than LBJ. Clinton cut the capital gains tax rate, deregulated, supported free trade deals, pushed for tough on crime laws, ended welfare as we know it, etc.

Realigning Presidents are usually succeeded by their own Party (Lincoln, FDR, Reagan) so Bush losing in 1988 would be a huge sign that Reagan didn't actually end the FDR era and become a truly transformative figure in American politics.
That kinda is what sucks about the dems now is that we could be nearing a dem realignment what with the trending suburbs/Milenials entering the middle class/ growing diversity/Trump as president with Obama legacy as the guy who had to take the heat to open the door to the democratic Reagan but I don't see a Reagan out of this bunch (not to say they can't beat Donald which of course is possible an borderline likely at the rate he's going) but the realignment guy I don't see. What I wouldn't give for Jerry Brown to be 30 years younger.
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