Jeb: Trump's sister is pro-choice, don't vote for Donald!

[Fuzzy Bear]

Where is dudeabides?

He's hanging out with Jeb's pro-choice parents and his pro-choice sister-in-law.

The Bush Family are all, personally, pro-choice; they are "politically" pro-life because of a Faustian bargain Daddy Bush made with the Right in order to get nominated in 1988.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Where is dudeabides?

He's hanging out with Jeb's pro-choice parents and his pro-choice sister-in-law.

The Bush Family are all, personally, pro-choice; they are "politically" pro-life because of a Faustian bargain Daddy Bush made with the Right in order to get nominated in 1988.

First of all, I don't actually care if Donald Trump's sister is pro-choice. I care that he is for public funding of an organization that harvests the organs of babies for profit, he is a purely evil human being with no regard for human life and any pro-life person who supports him isn't really pro-life, Trump is a scumbag who once identified as "very pro-choice." I get that people can change their mind but if he really did, he wouldn't be defending Planned Parenthood.

Secondly, George W. Bush and Jeb Bush are very religious, and very pro-life. Both of them, in their jobs, banned partial-birth abortion and President Bush re-instituted President Reagan's Mexico City Policy. Laura Bush is pro-choice, but the fact of the matter is just because she is doesn't mean her husband is, and she is not a candidate for office. I still think Laura Bush was a great First Lady, she has class and brains, two things Trump's wife will never have.

You like to attack the Bush family, I get that. Whenever there is a famous family of any sort, there are going to be some attacks. In the case of the Bush family, a few of the attacks have merit, most do not. But attacking the Bush's when the candidate you support takes such an extreme pro-choice position is just ridiculous to be quite honest.

George H. W. Bush was pro-choice; he switched positions to run for President and he switched back after leaving office.  He did what he had to do to get elected, but he never traded any political capital to advance the pro-life agenda.  He appointed David Souter to the SCOTUS who was favorably disposed to Roe v. Wade, when he could have expended political capital to appoint a more socially conservative jurist.  

W and Jeb, while in office, took the required positions, but never gave up, say, a tax increase, for the sake of advancing the pro-life cause.  Jeb, to his credit, did the right thing on Teri Schiavo (who didn't look dead to me).  Abortion was never a real priority for either of them; wars and tax cuts were.

Here's a question:  Why don't the pro-lifers join forces with the anti-Death Penalty folks to pass a Constitutional Amendment banning both these practices?  Now I get the difference, but it would be a case of giving up something significant in order to gain a greater good.  Of course, that would end the campaign cash, boots on the ground, etc. for the GOP from the "religious Right", so maybe this isn't a coming attraction.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Where is dudeabides?

He's hanging out with Jeb's pro-choice parents and his pro-choice sister-in-law.

The Bush Family are all, personally, pro-choice; they are "politically" pro-life because of a Faustian bargain Daddy Bush made with the Right in order to get nominated in 1988.

First of all, I don't actually care if Donald Trump's sister is pro-choice. I care that he is for public funding of an organization that harvests the organs of babies for profit, he is a purely evil human being with no regard for human life and any pro-life person who supports him isn't really pro-life, Trump is a scumbag who once identified as "very pro-choice." I get that people can change their mind but if he really did, he wouldn't be defending Planned Parenthood.

Secondly, George W. Bush and Jeb Bush are very religious, and very pro-life. Both of them, in their jobs, banned partial-birth abortion and President Bush re-instituted President Reagan's Mexico City Policy. Laura Bush is pro-choice, but the fact of the matter is just because she is doesn't mean her husband is, and she is not a candidate for office. I still think Laura Bush was a great First Lady, she has class and brains, two things Trump's wife will never have.

You like to attack the Bush family, I get that. Whenever there is a famous family of any sort, there are going to be some attacks. In the case of the Bush family, a few of the attacks have merit, most do not. But attacking the Bush's when the candidate you support takes such an extreme pro-choice position is just ridiculous to be quite honest.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/08/28/46908/-Clearing-Up-the-quot-Karla-Faye-Tucker-quot-Episode#

A bit of forgotten history about "The Decider".

Mercy for Cap Weinberger and Scooter Libby.  No regard for mitigating circumstances for Karla Faye Tucker, coupled with ridicule.  Bush Family Character at it's finest.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Where is dudeabides?

He's hanging out with Jeb's pro-choice parents and his pro-choice sister-in-law.

The Bush Family are all, personally, pro-choice; they are "politically" pro-life because of a Faustian bargain Daddy Bush made with the Right in order to get nominated in 1988.

First of all, I don't actually care if Donald Trump's sister is pro-choice. I care that he is for public funding of an organization that harvests the organs of babies for profit, he is a purely evil human being with no regard for human life and any pro-life person who supports him isn't really pro-life, Trump is a scumbag who once identified as "very pro-choice." I get that people can change their mind but if he really did, he wouldn't be defending Planned Parenthood.

Secondly, George W. Bush and Jeb Bush are very religious, and very pro-life. Both of them, in their jobs, banned partial-birth abortion and President Bush re-instituted President Reagan's Mexico City Policy. Laura Bush is pro-choice, but the fact of the matter is just because she is doesn't mean her husband is, and she is not a candidate for office. I still think Laura Bush was a great First Lady, she has class and brains, two things Trump's wife will never have.

You like to attack the Bush family, I get that. Whenever there is a famous family of any sort, there are going to be some attacks. In the case of the Bush family, a few of the attacks have merit, most do not. But attacking the Bush's when the candidate you support takes such an extreme pro-choice position is just ridiculous to be quite honest.

George H. W. Bush was pro-choice; he switched positions to run for President and he switched back after leaving office.  He did what he had to do to get elected, but he never traded any political capital to advance the pro-life agenda.  He appointed David Souter to the SCOTUS who was favorably disposed to Roe v. Wade, when he could have expended political capital to appoint a more socially conservative jurist.  

W and Jeb, while in office, took the required positions, but never gave up, say, a tax increase, for the sake of advancing the pro-life cause.  Jeb, to his credit, did the right thing on Teri Schiavo (who didn't look dead to me).  Abortion was never a real priority for either of them; wars and tax cuts were.

Here's a question:  Why don't the pro-lifers join forces with the anti-Death Penalty folks to pass a Constitutional Amendment banning both these practices?  Now I get the difference, but it would be a case of giving up something significant in order to gain a greater good.  Of course, that would end the campaign cash, boots on the ground, etc. for the GOP from the "religious Right", so maybe this isn't a coming attraction.

Not going to argue with you on Bush 41 despite my respect for him.

George W. Bush and Jeb Bush each fought for the pro-life position, politically they didn't have to once they were in office. Also, neither of them raised taxes - Jeb Bush cut taxes $19 billion in Florida, George W. Bush cut taxes by over $1 trillion as President, the largest tax relief in a generation.

I am pro-life, I'm proud to take that position, and I vote for pro-life candidates. But I don't think being opposed to abortion is enough, we must be pro-life for entire lives. George W. Bush protected the American people. You probably believe he was a war monger because of what the media has said, he made the right decisions 99% of the time in my book based on the facts he was presented with, and in most cases proven correct about. Jeb Bush made a difference in education, in reforming medicaid, and in fostering an environment where Florida led the nation in job growth. These two men made their share of mistakes, especially W, but they didn't make decisions based on polls, and based on both their words and actions, I reject the idea either one of them was not genuine. They are both consistent and steadfast, I doubt Donald Trump's motives because he is inconsistent and angry, not because I simply disagree with his policies.

I believe that abortion is wrong, I morally oppose it, and I disagree with John Kasich's ridiculous comment that "Roe V. Wade is the law of the land." I don't think we need a constitutional amendment for protecting life, I think the bill of rights is clear on that topic. As for capital punishment, I think it's a tool we need for the purpose of leverage in prosecutor's offices and for punishing the very worst in our society when the evidence is overwhelming.

What I find fascinating is that the left is okay with aborting babies but wants to keep killers alive. It shows a lack of respect for innocent human life to say the least.

I'll agree with the last line of this.

Of course, it amazes me as to how the Henry Hydes and Rick Santorums of the world touted the pro-life banner, advertising their Catholicism, but blew off the Catholic Church on issues of capital punishment and wars.  I mean it's OK if folks want to advocate that combinations of positions, but don't tell me that it's your Catholic faith that motivates you on abortion given the Catholic Church's position on the death penalty and most of our recent foreign war involvements.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Where is dudeabides?

He's hanging out with Jeb's pro-choice parents and his pro-choice sister-in-law.

The Bush Family are all, personally, pro-choice; they are "politically" pro-life because of a Faustian bargain Daddy Bush made with the Right in order to get nominated in 1988.

First of all, I don't actually care if Donald Trump's sister is pro-choice. I care that he is for public funding of an organization that harvests the organs of babies for profit, he is a purely evil human being with no regard for human life and any pro-life person who supports him isn't really pro-life, Trump is a scumbag who once identified as "very pro-choice." I get that people can change their mind but if he really did, he wouldn't be defending Planned Parenthood.

Secondly, George W. Bush and Jeb Bush are very religious, and very pro-life. Both of them, in their jobs, banned partial-birth abortion and President Bush re-instituted President Reagan's Mexico City Policy. Laura Bush is pro-choice, but the fact of the matter is just because she is doesn't mean her husband is, and she is not a candidate for office. I still think Laura Bush was a great First Lady, she has class and brains, two things Trump's wife will never have.

You like to attack the Bush family, I get that. Whenever there is a famous family of any sort, there are going to be some attacks. In the case of the Bush family, a few of the attacks have merit, most do not. But attacking the Bush's when the candidate you support takes such an extreme pro-choice position is just ridiculous to be quite honest.

George H. W. Bush was pro-choice; he switched positions to run for President and he switched back after leaving office.  He did what he had to do to get elected, but he never traded any political capital to advance the pro-life agenda.  He appointed David Souter to the SCOTUS who was favorably disposed to Roe v. Wade, when he could have expended political capital to appoint a more socially conservative jurist.  

W and Jeb, while in office, took the required positions, but never gave up, say, a tax increase, for the sake of advancing the pro-life cause.  Jeb, to his credit, did the right thing on Teri Schiavo (who didn't look dead to me).  Abortion was never a real priority for either of them; wars and tax cuts were.

Here's a question:  Why don't the pro-lifers join forces with the anti-Death Penalty folks to pass a Constitutional Amendment banning both these practices?  Now I get the difference, but it would be a case of giving up something significant in order to gain a greater good.  Of course, that would end the campaign cash, boots on the ground, etc. for the GOP from the "religious Right", so maybe this isn't a coming attraction.

Not going to argue with you on Bush 41 despite my respect for him.

George W. Bush and Jeb Bush each fought for the pro-life position, politically they didn't have to once they were in office. Also, neither of them raised taxes - Jeb Bush cut taxes $19 billion in Florida, George W. Bush cut taxes by over $1 trillion as President, the largest tax relief in a generation.

I am pro-life, I'm proud to take that position, and I vote for pro-life candidates. But I don't think being opposed to abortion is enough, we must be pro-life for entire lives. George W. Bush protected the American people. You probably believe he was a war monger because of what the media has said, he made the right decisions 99% of the time in my book based on the facts he was presented with, and in most cases proven correct about. Jeb Bush made a difference in education, in reforming medicaid, and in fostering an environment where Florida led the nation in job growth. These two men made their share of mistakes, especially W, but they didn't make decisions based on polls, and based on both their words and actions, I reject the idea either one of them was not genuine. They are both consistent and steadfast, I doubt Donald Trump's motives because he is inconsistent and angry, not because I simply disagree with his policies.

I believe that abortion is wrong, I morally oppose it, and I disagree with John Kasich's ridiculous comment that "Roe V. Wade is the law of the land." I don't think we need a constitutional amendment for protecting life, I think the bill of rights is clear on that topic. As for capital punishment, I think it's a tool we need for the purpose of leverage in prosecutor's offices and for punishing the very worst in our society when the evidence is overwhelming.

What I find fascinating is that the left is okay with aborting babies but wants to keep killers alive. It shows a lack of respect for innocent human life to say the least.

I'll agree with the last line of this.

Of course, it amazes me as to how the Henry Hydes and Rick Santorums of the world touted the pro-life banner, advertising their Catholicism, but blew off the Catholic Church on issues of capital punishment and wars.  I mean it's OK if folks want to advocate that combinations of positions, but don't tell me that it's your Catholic faith that motivates you on abortion given the Catholic Church's position on the death penalty and most of our recent foreign war involvements.

In my opinion, the question of abortion is more moral than it is public policy. Therefore, one must examine their own conscious, their own value system, and their faith as to if they are pro-life or pro-choice. Obviously, one will advance their belief either way in the public policy arena. I am morally opposed to abortion except for cases of rape, incest, of when the mother's health is at risk - my conscious and value system helped me reach this conclusion, my faith teaches me the mother's life comes first, and my faith teaches me to value human life.

I believe foreign policy is equally about morals as it is public policy. You, I, and the folks on this forum are taught that war is hell and should be avoided, we are also taught that we must be compassionate to our fellow man. The goal for our government has to be to promote our values, but also the public policy goal of protecting our homeland. I believe when making decisions about foreign policy, our leaders should always be welcomed to look to their faith for guidance and should always ask themselves if what they are doing is right, but they must also answer the question of if what they are doing will make us safer.

Capital punishment, in my mind, is a grey area. As a matter of faith, you are right, the catholic church opposes capital punishment as do some other faiths. But, as a matter of public policy, having capital punishment gives prosecutor's leverage towards confessions, it also is supposed to be a form of revenge and a deterrent. Personally, I support having capital punishment as an option for prosecutors, but that is a matter of public policy because my faith teaches forgiveness. But while my faith is part of who I am and I recognize faith helps guide people, it doesn't drive people in full necessarily.

If the moral issue of the HUMANITY OF THE CHILD isn't a factor, then what MORAL issue is involved?  I believe that the unborn child is a human life.  If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't care about what medical options people chose.