TX-28 primary

[Democratic Hawk]

I hope Cueller wins . Culler is possibly the one Texas Democrat who could win statewide, in an open seat, yet he is derided for being a DINO . The Democrats need a few more of his sort, might control Congress if they did

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

I hope Cueller wins . Culler is possibly the one Texas Democrat who could win statewide, in an open seat, yet he is derided for being a DINO . The Democrats need a few more of his sort, might control Congress if they did

Dave

A lot of good controlling Congress would do if it depended on people like him. Of course we whould take him down, the Bush lover will probably switch parties. No Democrat should support a Bush lover like Cuellar.

Have you actually bothered to look at the 2005 NJ ratings? You can see how 'unified' to a point the Democratic Caucus is. The only Democrat who comes out with a higher conservative rating than he does liberal is Gene Taylor of Mississippi, and even he's fallen into line on key votes. Cueller scores 56% liberal/44% conservative. In other words, he's pretty centrist or something of a moderate liberal populist perhaps

You are just so unbelievably blinkered. We're talking Texas not Massachusetts or liberal urban enclaves

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

I hope Cueller wins . Culler is possibly the one Texas Democrat who could win statewide, in an open seat, yet he is derided for being a DINO . The Democrats need a few more of his sort, might control Congress if they did

Dave

A lot of good controlling Congress would do if it depended on people like him. Of course we whould take him down, the Bush lover will probably switch parties. No Democrat should support a Bush lover like Cuellar.

Have you actually bothered to look at the 2005 NJ ratings? You can see how 'unified' to a point the Democratic Caucus is. The only Democrat who comes out with a higher conservative rating than he does liberal is Gene Taylor of Mississippi, and even he's fallen into line on key votes. Cueller scores 56% liberal/44% conservative. In other words, he's pretty centrist or something of a moderate liberal populist perhaps

You are just so unbelievably blinkered. We're talking Texas not Massachusetts or liberal urban enclaves

Dave

Let's see, we have a real Democrat who was Congressman as recently as 2004 running against this DINO in the primary, and there's no Republican running in the general election. You support for the DINO shows that you'd rather have a Bush kissing anti-worker bastard who was endorsed by the Club for Growth in this seat than a real Demcorat.

Well, since I'm backing Cueller, if you are implying I'm anti-worker and that I kiss Bush's butt, you are mistaken :. Nor, having checked the Club for Growth website, can I say I identify them either. What I can understand, however, is them endorsing the most laissez-faire candidate in  congressional races

I'll see if I can find out more on Cueller's votes

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

I've taken a look at Cueller. He seems to have a pretty mixed record when it comes to being pro-business or pro-labor. Lefties are, indeed, targetting him, however. Ideally, however, no elected representative should be in hoc to interest groups, they should be accountable to their electorate and those alone

I happen to think he'll make a good statewide candidate, which scores brownie points with me. Nor do I see that in order to be pro-labor you necessarily have to be anti-business or vice versa

Therefore, I'm sticking with Cueller. I don't think Rodrigues is a viable statewide candidate, while Cueller could, at least, emerge as a serious Senate contender, unless he's stopped in his tracks in the Democratic primary

Furthermore, given the Hispanic shift towards the GOP in 2004, shouldn't Democrats be playing it safe, especially in Texas. I suspect Al is right, it's only a matter of time before the Republicans become more established in southern Texas

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

Sad, you no longer have the excuse of the moderate being the most electable, seeing as the more liberal candidate was Congressman for 6 years, while the more conservative candidate only won in 2004. This conservative is a Bush loving DINO. I guess you aren't much of a Democrat.

I must be a lousy Democrat then

Can Democrats not be moderate conservatives these days? Is being a straight down the line liberal (economically, socially and dovish) an absolute prerequisite for being a Democrat these days?

But if you want the Democratic Party to be the permanent minority party on the Beltway, permanently out of the Oval Office and uncompetitive across huge swathes of America, fine. There are Democrats who don't

Cueller's 2005 ratings are:

1) Economic: 53% Liberal/47% Conservative
2) Social: 60% Liberal/40% Conservative
3) Defense: 55% Liberal/45% Conservative

Pretty centrist all-round. On those figures, he's more socially liberal than he is economically liberal. I'd have thought that would have pleased you

Of course, vote ratings can vary from year to year. He might be more to your liking in future

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

he's more socially liberal than he is economically liberal. I'd have thought that would have pleased you

Since when have libertarian leaning DINOs pleased me? And actually, he's not really libertarian leaning. He has only 16% Progressive Punch on Family planning.

Chet Edwards (who is in a 69% Bush district) is more liberal.

You don't seem to like populists much either

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

he's more socially liberal than he is economically liberal. I'd have thought that would have pleased you

Since when have libertarian leaning DINOs pleased me? And actually, he's not really libertarian leaning. He has only 16% Progressive Punch on Family planning.

Chet Edwards (who is in a 69% Bush district) is more liberal.

You don't seem to like populists much either

Dave

I just don't like Bush loving DINOs. This bastard endorsed the worst President ever both times.

Hell, that's more than I would have done. As president's go, Bush is bottom drawer. I've just never thought him up to the job

I still think Cueller is statewide material, though. And, as of now, the House Democratic Caucus seems united on key votes

I'm gonna stop up a while and watch this primary play out. I hope the party doesn't lose a guy who could very well be a viable Senate candidate a few years down the line. I genuinely would like to see Democrats gain ground in southern states; though I certainly don't want them running to the right of the GOP

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

Henry Cuellar          1,282    45.54%
Victor Morales       330     11.72%
Ciro D. Rodriguez    1,203     42.74%

1.45% of precincts reporting

The game really won't begin until Webb and Bexar counties start reporting.  Stay tuned.

When can we expect it to be all done and dusted? It's 2.22AM (GMT)

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

he's more socially liberal than he is economically liberal. I'd have thought that would have pleased you

Since when have libertarian leaning DINOs pleased me? And actually, he's not really libertarian leaning. He has only 16% Progressive Punch on Family planning.

Chet Edwards (who is in a 69% Bush district) is more liberal.

You don't seem to like populists much either

Dave

I just don't like Bush loving DINOs. This bastard endorsed the worst President ever both times.

Hell, that's more than I would have done. As president's go, Bush is bottom drawer. I've just never thought him up to the job

I still think Cueller is statewide material, though. And, as of now, the House Democratic Caucus seems united on key votes

I'm gonna stop up a while and watch this primary play out. I hope the party doesn't lose a guy who could very well be a viable Senate candidate a few years down the line. I genuinely would like to see Democrats gain ground in southern states; though I certainly don't want them running to the right of the GOP

Dave

Chet Edwards is more liberal than this guy, and he is in a 69% Bush district. Cuellar is a useless Bush supporting DINO. 

While it was a different district, Rodriguez won 71-27 in 2002. Your argument has been destroyed.

My argument is that, one day, Cueller has a fair shot at the Senate because he isn't someone who'd go down in flames with the the 'liberal' tag. Texas is not a liberal state. End of. Him losing this primary could very well scupper that possibility. If Cueller were to run for the Senate and lose, then yes my argument will have been destroyed. I'm just sorry Cueller didn't knock-out Henry Bonilla in CD-23 back in 2002

Out of interest, any one know how D-28 broke in the 2004 Presidential?

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

If I had a dollar for every time jfern said DINO....

Sam , I'd gladly settle for a cent

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

Dave

Out of interest, any one know how D-28 broke in the 2004 Presidential?

Dave
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53% for Bush, 47% for Kerry

41% In:

Cuellar   3509    28.4%
Ciro        7928    64.2%
Morales    904      7.3%
[/quote]

Thanks for the 2004 figures

Strewth, there's not many folk vote in primaries (liberal activists perhaps?)

Looking good for Ciro, thus far

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

How Hispanic is TX-28?

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

51% of Precincts Reporting

Rodriguez 56
Cuellar 37
Morales 7

This isn't looking good although I'm not sure which precincts are reporting.

Webb County has still reported nothing.  That's the county to watch for.

Kerry carried it 57-43 which makes me think it would be friendly towards Rodriguez.

Webb County (Laredo area) is Cuellar's home base (along with Zapata County).

He pulled 85% of the vote from there in 2004.

All being well, he'll get it again. If he holds on, it will be remarkable. He's been heavily targetted, so much so the odds seem stacked against him

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

Nothing in from Webbe yet. Is Webbe the most populous county?

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

Nothing in from Webbe yet. Is Webbe the most populous county?

Dave

Bexar County is the most populous part of the CD, I'm pretty sure.  And it's almost done reporting at present (87 precincts out of 102).  Once it gets done, I'll try and compare the numbers to 2004, when Rodriguez won 80% of the county.

We're probably headed for a runoff, but I really can't tell until Webb reports and I look at turnout.

Thanks . Who would Morales endorse should it make a run-off?

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

This is the problem with open primaries. Dave actually thinks this guy is a Democrat. Rodriguez has gotten many endorsements from Democratic Congressmen, whom I assume would know a lot better than Dave what a real Democrat is.

Is there some absolutist notion as to what constitutes a real Democrat?

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

In news from other districts, Tom DeLay is projected to win his primary

And hopefully, he'll be out on his arse come November. Wonder if jfern will concur with me on his one ?

What I will say is that these House primaries have pitiful turnouts. I can't say the ones for governor or senator are any better, from what I've seen

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

News Flash from the Laredo Morning Times:

http://www.lmtonline.com/site/news.asp?brd=2290

Voting woes

Because of a technical difficulty, results from the Democratic and Republican primaries have been delayed.

The machine built to read the personal electronic ballots was incorrectly programmed, and as a result the votes must be extracted from flash cards attached to each machine.

Officials with the Webb County Elections Administration were unsure Tuesday how long the delay would last.

Bugger it. Goodnight, all

Dave

[Democratic Hawk]

A runoff is avoided.

99% of precincts reporting

Cuellar 52.8%
Rodriguez 40.7%
Morales 6.5%

Good try, Ciro.

Let's just say I'm happy Cueller won the primary. I hope one day he'll decide to run, and make it, to the Senate - as a Democrat (albeit not a liberal one). He's, likely, the best the Democrats can run statewide

Thanks for the demographics , jimrtex

Dave