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Question: what percentage of bernie voters back Hillary in Gen election?
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0-10
 
#2
10-20
 
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20-30
 
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30-40
 
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40-50
 
#6
50-60
 
#7
60-70
 
#8
70-80
 
#9
80-90
 
#10
90-100
 
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« on: April 21, 2016, 01:16:34 PM »

Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2016, 01:18:34 PM »

About 80% who would (actually) vote for Bernie will vote for Clinton, about 10% will not vote at all, and about 10% will vote for someone else (most likely Green Party).
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2016, 01:19:32 PM »

About 80% who would (actually) vote for Bernie will vote for Clinton, about 10% will not vote at all, and about 10% will vote for someone else (most likely Green Party).

This, more or less.
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2016, 01:21:45 PM »

I'm guessing 80 to 90 percent.  I only know myself and one other person who will definitely vote for Sanders next Tuesday and will definitely not vote for Hillary Clinton for any office.  But I live in a bubble at the top of an Ivory Tower, so I'll assume there are others that I never deign to speak to.  I still don't think it tops 20% of all Sanders primary voters, so I went with 80-90%.
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2016, 01:35:45 PM »

About 80% who would (actually) vote for Bernie will vote for Clinton, about 10% will not vote at all, and about 10% will vote for someone else (most likely Green Party Trump).

This, more or less.
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2016, 01:48:14 PM »

80-90%, I'm guessing. According to exit polls, 83% of Clinton supporters backed Obama in '08, though I'm guessing that number is probably a bit higher.
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2016, 02:03:43 PM »

At least 90% of Dems will back Clinton, just as they did Obama. Most of the crying is just annoying noise right now.
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2016, 02:05:29 PM »

At least 90% of Dems will back Clinton, just as they did Obama. Most of the crying is just annoying noise right now.

Such a noise happens every time when your favored candidate is losing.
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2016, 02:09:36 PM »

2008 PUMA was way worse than 2016 BernieBros.

However, Clinton worked REALLY HARD to reunite the party and support Obama, so Bernie will have to do that as well.

I think Clinton will make things much easier for herself if she picks a strong progressive VP, say Warren, Brown or even Al Franken.
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2016, 02:21:23 PM »

Al Franken, not a strong progressive. Just a DLC Democrat who was once on a TV show popular with teenagers 30 years ago.
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2016, 03:32:57 PM »

Zero percent. No supporter of the evil misogynist Sanders would ever vote for somebody as morally upstanding as Madam Hillary Clinton.
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2016, 03:34:31 PM »

About 80% who would (actually) vote for Bernie will vote for Clinton, about 10% will not vote at all, and about 10% will vote for someone else (most likely Green Party Trump).

This, more or less.

Why would Bernie people vote for TRUMP?
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2016, 03:34:51 PM »

80-90%. They can say whatever they want now, but they'll unite.
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2016, 04:29:50 PM »


There has been some analysis by David Brooks and others of this question (and of the question of Kasich/Rubio/Paul voters voting for Clinton should Trump get nominated by the GOP).  The New Republic has called Sanders and Trump "political twins."  The New York Times has interviewed a number of Sanders voters who also like Trump.  A quick internet search will reveal many articles on the subject.  They all have slightly different analyses, but basically the reasons are that (1) Trump is not Clinton, (2) Trump is a populist, (3) Trump wants to end gun-free zones, (4) Trump claims to be a protectionist with respect to manufacturing jobs, and (5) Trump talks about hedge-fund managers and other opportunists taking money out of the economy. 

Obviously you could argue that they're ideologically dissimilar and a voter would really have to be cherry-picking to come to the conclusion that if Sanders doesn't get nominated, then Trump is the second-best choice.  I don't really buy into that argument.  I think they see Sanders as unorthodox, outside the mainstream, and provocative.  Trump shows those qualities as well. 

I don't know what the percent is.  NYT produced a poll in January that suggested something like 15% of Republicans will not vote for Trump under any circumstances and a similar percent of Democrats will not vote for Clinton.  Some of them will not vote, some will vote for other candidates (Socialist, Green, Libertarian, etc.), and some will vote for the opposite party.  I will likely vote for a Libertarian, a Socialist, or the Prohibitionist Party candidate.  I haven't decided yet, but it will definitely be someone other than Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. 
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2016, 06:11:40 PM »

70%. And that's only if she adopts any of his platforms or chooses someone like Warren for VP.
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2016, 09:17:36 PM »

Millennials are already a fickle group when it comes turn out, I think 20-30% will end up staying home and have no qualms about it. That is why I think this is different from PUMAs who were mostly traditional Dems while Bernie backers are younger and less aligned with the Democratic party. Since a lot of Bernie's people are not party regulars why would they vote for her in the end?
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2016, 09:37:59 PM »

As of Bernie voters that are Democrats, she'll easily get over 80%. As of those who crossed-over to back Bernie, we can't tell yet.
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2016, 12:14:40 AM »

Something to consider:

Obama beat Romney in 2012 by 5 million votes. So far, Bernie has received around 7.5 million votes. Assuming the rest of the primary is roughly the same, he'll end up with about 11.5 million voters total. (Yes, I know this is flawed, given the caucuses, varying primary regimes between states, etc.) That means even if a full 44% of Sanders primary voters stayed at home in November, that would only be Obama's margin of victory over Romney that Hillary would lose.

There's obviously a lot of more factors that go into who would win, how new voters would divide up, etc, but people acting like 10% of Sanders voters staying home will deliver the election to Trump really haven't been looking at the abysmal turnout numbers thus far.
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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2016, 12:16:59 AM »

If Hillary offers the veep position to Elizabeth Warren (and she accepts), I'd say support would be universal. 
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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2016, 12:17:45 AM »

Of those who vote, >90. Considering some may stay home, probably 80-90. The types of people who get invested in primary campaigns aren't the types who typically sit out the general.
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