Iraq War: is Bush team competent?

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If you think the Iraq War is being run competently, explain how it would be worse if it were run incompetently.

If you think the Iraq War is being run incompetently, explain how it would be better if it were run competently.

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Got a reference for this claim?

Things seem pretty bad according to this, http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_09/004789.php

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That would be the other two.

Philip, you've been fooled. What's your reference for the claim everything is hunky dory in 13 or 15 Iraqi provinces.

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Not everything I learn is online. Go search CNN if you don't believe me.

Here's a recent CNN article, http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/28/iraq.abizaid/index.html

Here's a quote:

<i>Last week, CNN Correspondent Diana Muriel described how the violence in Iraq was hindering the reconstruction effort.

"There is very much a sense that no one is safe and everyone should be reviewing their security measures," she said.
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Philip, you going to change your mind about the Iraq War being a good idea now? Or will you continue to let your ideology trump the real world facts?

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That would be those 2 precincts.

CNN = Communist News Network. I don't read it, you do.

So you are admitting you don't have any basis for claiming that 13 of 15 Iraqi precincts were calm? You said it. It's not based in fact. It's just something that it would be nice for your ideology if it was true.

Namecalling. Wow, that's class. Way to have an intelligent discussion of the issues.

What's your beef with CNN? CNN brings you information that refutes your ideology? Maybe you should consider the possibility your ideology is wrong.

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What namecalling?

"Communist News Network"

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Did the debate make you more or less confident in Bush's leadership?

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The war is being as ran as well as any could do. These Iraqui resistance terrorists just won't come out and fight like real soldiers do.

Yeah, that was unforeseen. </sarcasm off>

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A muslim, particularly an arab muslim country, without a dictator slaughtering people continually = chaos.

These people's natural tendency towards horrific theocracy can only be fought by killing and torturing them wholesale.

I'm not endorsing your premise, but why not just leave Saddam Hussein as the oppressor? Why spend $200-500 billion putting our brutal leadership in charge?

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Philip, it 15 of 18 not 13 of 15 provinces.

FB, its true that there's violence throughout the country because there's no meaningful police force to control rampant crime, and what police there are are often very bribeable.  However, organized politically motivated violence is in fact largely confined to 3 provinces.

What is the basis of this claim? Could you provide a link to support your statement? Or is it just bullsh**t Bush supporters tell each other so they have a lie to cling to so they won't have to consider the truth?

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Sammarra, Fallujah, and Baquba are the center of the insurgency.  Here is a map of provinces and major cities.

There is not one insurgent controlled city outside those 3 provinces.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

In your earlier statement you wrote,

However, organized politically motivated violence is in fact largely confined to 3 provinces.

Do insurgents need to control cities to engage in political violence?

The fact that the insurgents control any territory indicates the situation is very bad for the occupation forces. The insurgents could control no real estate and still be a problem.

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More people think Bush is incompetent than competent.

Also within the groups, the people that say he's competent feel less strongly he's less competent than the incompetent people feel he is incompetent.