SENATE BILL: Support for Carers Bill 2013 (Tabled)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: Napoleon for Polnut

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Okay, 24 hours here of course.

[tmthforu94]

Are we certain that clause 5 can adequately fund this bill?

[Maxwell]

I echo Senator Tmth's concerns, and we should probably stall this until we get a good estimate of what it costs and how much is raked in via the increase in Social Security premiums.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

This is a vital reform but let's get a clearer idea of numbers

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Polnut, have you contacted Sirnick yet about it then?

[Maxwell]

Polnut, have you contacted Sirnick yet about it then?

I already sent it to Sirnick.

[TNF]

Another uncontroversial bill. Can we fast track this one once we get those numbers?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I can waive the bs, and then if need to not start the vote until Sirnick gets back with the information.


I as UC to waive the minimum debate and cloture requirement, Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Time is just about up, where the hell is that data?

[Maxwell]

Sirnick needs more time to do accurate numbers, so I object to your motion Yankee.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So the the waiting path has been selected.


...but the waiting is that hardest part, man.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So without the independent budget having been completed. Is it feasible to even attain a cost report in the near future?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ah, well?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

There is no Social Security premium tax at 6.5% (the Social Security tax, now the Elderly Insurance tax, is a progressive rate) so that part at least will have to be changed.

[President Tyrion]

Is "withdrawal from the workforce" inherent in the definition of "primary carer"?

[Napoleon]

Another uncontroversial bill. Can we fast track this one once we get those numbers?

Actually this needs some work.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

When is that work going to be occuring?

[Maxwell]

Someone a bit more fluent in Atlasian Social Security and Healthcare is going to have to help with funding, but we should begin by striking the funding part of the bill for the moment being.

[President Tyrion]

Is "withdrawal from the workforce" inherent in the definition of "primary carer"?

If not, we would need to reword the bill. It is currently ambiguous.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Someone a bit more fluent in Atlasian Social Security and Healthcare is going to have to help with funding, but we should begin by striking the funding part of the bill for the moment being.

I would recommend Shua.

Is "withdrawal from the workforce" inherent in the definition of "primary carer"?

If not, we would need to reword the bill. It is currently ambiguous.

I PMed, Maxwell, Nappy and Polnut directly. Nappy because he is the sponsor, Polnut because he wrote and Maxwell because his objection prevents a final vote should a collective decision be made to give it up. Therefore all three should be participating in the debate.

Our biggest hindrence is that we failed to complete the independent budget for the SSA and so both this and the second mental Health bill are going to have severe problems determinining costs and funding.

As for your question, Polnut would be best positioned to answer. I would recommend PMing him directly about that question since mine was a generic, "please for heaven's sake follow the debate PM".

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

People be reasonable here? Can this bill be fixed in the immediate future, or it should it be tried again later, hopefully once the independent budget is done. I am not seeing a lot of work being done here, if somethign is going on in the background, then great, but we really need some movement here and soon.

[Maxwell]

I think completion of the independent budget is key towards any proposal like this. As result, I think we may have to table this, and maybe if a Senator wants to re-introduce this when we have any idea on funding,  they can bring it back.

Motion to Table?

[tmthforu94]

This has consumed the floor for over a week with absolutely no progress. We could have potentially passed another bill in this spot, instead.

I like the bill's intents, but for reasons expressed by Max, I second the motion.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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A motion to table the bill has been filed by Senator Maxwell and seconded by Senator Tmthforu94, a two-thirds vote is now open on the question of whether to table the bill, Senators, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. This will will run for 48 hours.