Hate Crime Laws Abolition Bill

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I strongly support this bill.

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Why do we need to do that?

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I still fail to see why we need to keep data on that.

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I disagree; racism and hatred are protected by freedom of thought and speech.  Only when one directly intimidates, not insults or offends, someone do we restrict that right.  We punish people for crimes anyway, no point in giving them a worse sentence because it was based on a hatred of a race, sexual orientation, religion, sex, or other characteristic.

Thus, the government keeping data or statistics on racially motivated crimes strikes me as a waste of time and undermines the purpose of this bill.

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I disagree; racism and hatred are protected by freedom of thought and speech.

Simply keeping a list of how many crimes in a certain area were racially motivated does not trample on anyones constitutional rights.

I'm aware that it does not trample anyone's rights directly, but keeping track of 'racial tensions' in certain areas strikes me as ripe for abuse if done improperly.

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I'm not suggesting a worse sentence

I know, I was just saying that the amendment would undermine the purpose of the bill, which is to eliminate worse sentences for crimes based on hate

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I'm aware that it does not trample anyone's rights directly, but keeping track of 'racial tensions' in certain areas strikes me as ripe for abuse if done improperly.

But not monitoring that situation would be a gross failure of Government's duty to protect the people. If you don't bother to watch this sort of thing you end up with things spiralling out of control, and before you know what's hit you, you get riots.
At the same time I think a black familiy is entitled to know if the community they're about to move to has a serious problem with racially motivated crimes.

How would this data be available to the general public?

Also what about crimes motivated on hatred of sexual orientation, religion, or sex?  Would we have to keep data on those too?

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If you beat up someone because he's gay, how is that not a hate crime?

Unless we extend this policy of keeping data on racially motivated crimes to also keeping data on crimes that were done based on hatred of sexual orientation it would be discriminatory.

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If you give black families moving into neighborhoods information about the racially motivated crimes that occured there, it is only fair to give gay people the same information regarding anti-gay motivated crimes.  Therefore your amendment is discriminatory in that it only extends to racially motived crimes.

I won't stop voicing my opinions just because I know people disagree with me.

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It would go with this bill perfectly fine.  Aren't you aware that the U.S. Senate has voted several times to extend the definition of "hate crimes" to include sexual orientation?  Hate crimes don't apply specifically to race.

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No, I'm just saying the amendment is discriminatory in its current form.

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Which is what I intend to do.

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Nay

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I propose the following amendment:

5. The Atlasian government shall keep track of the number of crimes committed because of the victim's sex or sexual orientation after the passage and implementation of this bill.


I think it's wrong for the government to keep special track of hate crimes in preference over other types of crime, but now that the Amendment with Clause 4 has been passed, we may as well extend the definition to include gender and sexual orientation.

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Yea

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Yea