Romney versus Hillary in 2016 - Post your early map predictions

[Wisconsin+17]

Well, at least we wouldn't have to worry about Utah.

[IceSpear]

This is admittedly a pretty random bump, but I just wanted to remind people that this whole idea that Clinton is a deeply flawed, unliked, candidate only surfaced about a year ago or so. A few years back she was the most popular politician in the country and thought by many to be not only the inevtable next president, but also one that would beat even mainstream Pubs like Romney by a landslide. This thread is just one of numerous that widely predicts landslide victories for Clinton.

It's amazing what the media can accomplish in a single year of endless negative coverage, perpetual smearing, and manufacturing faux scandals, isn't it?

I remember in 2013, the conventional wisdom was that Hillary probably won't run, but if she runs, she'll win in a landslide! (Except maybe against Chris Christie.)

At some point in 2014, everything switched, and people started claiming that Hillary was definitely going to lose, mostly as a reaction to the previous ideas.

Are you sure it was in 2014? I'm thinking the thinking only really switched in 2015 and the question is exactly why this happened. I think a big part of it was the media wanting a competitive race and hence giving unduly room for criticism against her. I also think that Clinton was wrong in being quite passive during this whole process.

Yes, I posted back before she even declared her candidacy that she needed to start a war against the media and do her best to discredit them, at least in the eyes of Democrats and left leaners. It was blatantly obvious ever since "dead broke" (a gaffe that would've gotten 2 days of coverage for any other politician that got 6 months of coverage for her) that they were going to do their best to tear her down and destroy her candidacy by any means necessary. Of course, that was already fairly obvious from the 90s and 2008, but it was just confirmation that things hadn't changed. She and her team instead took the daily beatings like masochists, only pushing back against individual stories (the symptoms) rather than the biased, sexist, and corrupt media (the cause.) As a result, her image got destroyed. I'm not sure if she and her team were simply naive, or because it was filled with so many former Obamaites they didn't know how to deal with intensely negative coverage. Or perhaps they just figured it was too early to matter. Either way, it was a horrible miscalculation, probably her worst of the entire campaign. Luckily, the GOP decided to completely implode and help her out, or she'd be in much more trouble than she is right now.

[IceSpear]

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HAHAHAHA

Multiple polls in March/April showed Romney as even more unpopular than Trump.

[Virginiá]

Yes, I posted back before she even declared her candidacy that she needed to start a war against the media and do her best to discredit them, at least in the eyes of Democrats and left leaners.

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Ironically, left(er) wing Democrats are convinced the media is in the bag for her. This is a common trope I hear both online and offline. It doesn't make any sense at all, yet somehow people think it. It could not be anymore obvious how viciously against her they are.

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Almost everybody thinks the media is biased against their candidate.

[IceSpear]

Almost everybody thinks the media is biased against their candidate.

True. But there are objective studies showing Hillary gets the most negative coverage.

[Doimper]

Almost everybody thinks the media is biased against their candidate.

True. But there are objective studies showing Hillary gets the most negative coverage.

Would you mind linking to them? I'm not trying to pooh-pooh you, they would be useful to have bookmarked.

[IceSpear]

Almost everybody thinks the media is biased against their candidate.

True. But there are objective studies showing Hillary gets the most negative coverage.

Would you mind linking to them? I'm not trying to pooh-pooh you, they would be useful to have bookmarked.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/15/11410160/hillary-clinton-media-bernie-sanders

This post also has multiple individuals admitting to sexism/bias in the media, along with a FiveThirtyEight article documenting her extensive negative coverage. Unfortunately, they didn't compare it to other candidates.

[Beefalow and the Consumer]

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Multiple polls in March/April showed Romney as even more unpopular than Trump.

Any candidate with credibility and electability would crush Clinton.  Romney would have plenty of time to rebuild his image.

[IceSpear]

How exactly do you define "electable"? I wouldn't call a two time loser with a 23/65 favorability rating electable, but that's just me.

[Kingpoleon]

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Multiple polls in March/April showed Romney as even more unpopular than Trump.

Obama 2012+Independent Trump supporters account for that.

IMO:

270: Clinton/Franken(48.3%)
268: Romney/Sandoval(49.3%)
Others: 2.4%

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How exactly do you define "electable"? I wouldn't call a two time loser with a 23/65 favorability rating electable, but that's just me.

In my opinion, almost any candidate at the nationwide level can be 'electable' if they run a good enough campaign. Romney is not known for his campaigning skill.