Opinion of left-wing posters who slobber over Nixon

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Well?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Option 2 (sane)

[Lief 🗽]

The worst sort of people.

[Sopranos Republican]

The worst sort of people.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Option 2 (sane)

Ironic, but hey.

[minionofmidas]

Nonexistent.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I'm far from slobbering over Nixon. I simply think he should be judged objectively, his accomplishment included.

Nixon had remarkable accomplishments, such as Detente, opening on China or environmental regulations. At the same time there were leadership and moral faillings (Watergate, Cambodia, Chile). I know it's hard for some to consider the whole picture, but that's the truth: didn't deserve to be idolized, not to be overly demonized. Same thing with LBJ, actually.

[PJ]

Awful.

[afleitch]

I slobber over Ford

[Paul Kemp]

"left-wing"

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

"left-wing"

"Nixon was quite liberal President, more liberal than Obama, HURD DURR"

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

The followup to this is that cabal of posters that seems to fetishize Nixon as the "sane Republican" and then goes onto view him as greater than Reagan by mere process of deciding which one matches up with their political matrix score more. Also, it must be noted that if you hate Reagan, the natural thing would be to hate as well the man who laid the foundations for the approaching Republican resurgence.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Invariably terrible.

[Oakvale]

Savvy, sophisticated realists who see past the fog of ideology to survey the political landscape with a cool and unjaundiced eye. AKA filth.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'm far from slobbering over Nixon. I simply think he should be judged objectively, his accomplishment included.

Nixon had remarkable accomplishments, such as Detente, opening on China or environmental regulations. At the same time there were leadership and moral faillings (Watergate, Cambodia, Chile). I know it's hard for some to consider the whole picture, but that's the truth: didn't deserve to be idolized, not to be overly demonized. Same thing with LBJ, actually.

Yeah, I agree he shouldn't be demonized as well. Really, I think Oliver Stone depicted him very well, as a tormented and borderline psychotic man whose paranoias led him to espouse a pretty horrible worldview and abandon any sense of basic morality, but was also capable of doing good things when he got the occasion.

[Beet]

The left's opinion of Nixon has seemed to ebb and flow with time. I've certainly heard his health care proposal mentioned many times in favorable comparison to the Affordable Care Act, or even Hillarycare.

[ElectionsGuy]

I don't understand them.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I'm far from slobbering over Nixon. I simply think he should be judged objectively, his accomplishment included.

Nixon had remarkable accomplishments, such as Detente, opening on China or environmental regulations. At the same time there were leadership and moral faillings (Watergate, Cambodia, Chile). I know it's hard for some to consider the whole picture, but that's the truth: didn't deserve to be idolized, not to be overly demonized. Same thing with LBJ, actually.

Yeah, I agree he shouldn't be demonized as well. Really, I think Oliver Stone depicted him very well, as a tormented and borderline psychotic man whose paranoias led him to espouse a pretty horrible worldview and abandon any sense of basic morality, but was also capable of doing good things when he got the occasion.

In all seriousness, I see where it is you're coming from, but let's be frank: Nixon was still a closed-doors bigot who ran a foreign policy only marginally better than LBJ's, on top of being an out-and-out criminal. I don't believe in demonizing people, and I do agree that it benefits us to look at him objectively, but he was still a pretty awful person.

I disagree with your assertion that his foreign policy was mariginally better than LBJ's since, unlike Johnson, he actually did accomplish something on this field (while indeed doing a lot of awful things). LBJ really sucked at this.

But, returning to main topic, yeah, Nixon was a psycho. Can't see anybody seriously disputing that.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

The followup to this is that cabal of posters that seems to fetishize Nixon as the "sane Republican" and then goes onto view him as greater than Reagan by mere process of deciding which one matches up with their political matrix score more. Also, it must be noted that if you hate Reagan, the natural thing would be to hate as well the man who laid the foundations for the approaching Republican resurgence.

Ah, the whole "Nixon was a moderate" meme.

[Dr. Cynic]

Awful. Mainly because I slobber all over the man he beat in '68.

[Maxwell]

The followup to this is that cabal of posters that seems to fetishize Nixon as the "sane Republican" and then goes onto view him as greater than Reagan by mere process of deciding which one matches up with their political matrix score more. Also, it must be noted that if you hate Reagan, the natural thing would be to hate as well the man who laid the foundations for the approaching Republican resurgence.

Ah, the whole "Nixon was a moderate" meme.

Yes, there was nothing moderate about Nixon, only craven oppurtunism, which gets confused with being "moderate".

[Tetro Kornbluth]

They are very 'realistic'.

Kind of like Aaron Sorkin movies/TV, economic Austerity and the belief in the intellectual superiority of the oh-so contrarian.

[TDAS04]

Silly.

[TNF]

Not real, but there are plenty of dumb liberals on this forum.