Israel Ambassador: If UN recognize Palestaine, expect the US to completely stop funding the UN

[David Hume]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-set-to-vote-on-symbolic-measure-backing-palestine-recognition/
Israeli Ambassador to the UN Gilad Erdan denounced the draft General Assembly resolution Monday, saying it would give the Palestinians the de facto status and rights of a state and goes against the founding UN Charter.

“If it is approved, I expect the United States to completely stop funding the UN and its institutions, in accordance with American law,” said Erdan, adding that adoption by the General Assembly would not change anything on the ground.


What American law??

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

If this is based in such an American law then said American law needs to be changed or repealed outright.

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

this is ridiculous

[lfromnj]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-cuts-unesco-funding-after-palestinian-vote/

The lopsided vote to admit Palestine as a member of UNESCO, which only the United States and 13 other countries opposed, triggered a long-standing congressional ban on U.S. funding to U.N. bodies that recognize Palestine as a state before an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal is reached. The State Department said a $60 million payment to UNESCO scheduled for November would not be made as a result, and U.S. officials warned of a "cascade" effect at other U.N. bodies that might follow UNESCO's lead.

We already did this for UNESCO under Obama. Trump fully left UNESCO but Biden rejoined in 2023. It is the law and although theoretically Biden could abstain on statehood the ramifications of that would be huge.

Kinda dumb on paper but if Palestine actually became a country through which the US agreed the law would probably be repealed back when it was signed*. It's a somewhat good thing now as Biden can't overturn decades of US policy to win releection.

*I do wonder if Republicans would block a repeal if they had either house of congress.

[Cashew]

I could care less about all the corrupt reprobates in the UN, but sacrificing all the influence that funding gives us because of Israel of all things is ridiculous.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

This isn't going to backfire at all.

/s

(You can predict the behavior of organizations by assuming they're secretly controlled by a cabal of their enemies, bent on discrediting and destroying them.)

[Dr. MB]

America first?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Imagine actually feeling sorry for the UN

[Horus]

Imagine actually feeling sorry for the UN

The UN is not great, but leaving it over Israel would hurt our worldwide reputation far more than simply telling the Israelis to stfu and be better people.

[lfromnj]

Imagine actually feeling sorry for the UN

The UN is not great, but leaving it over Israel would hurt our worldwide reputation far more than simply telling the Israelis to stfu and be better people.

This isn't leaving the UN, its just defunding the UN.  When the bill was created it also wasn't seen as very realistic to defund the UN so this basically just forces future presidents to keep a consistent foreign policy on this issue until a true solution can be created.

[Horus]

Imagine actually feeling sorry for the UN

The UN is not great, but leaving it over Israel would hurt our worldwide reputation far more than simply telling the Israelis to stfu and be better people.

This isn't leaving the UN, its just defunding the UN.  When the bill was created it also wasn't seen as very realistic to defund the UN so this basically just forces future presidents to keep a consistent foreign policy on this issue until a true solution can be created.

I guess that's slightly better but it still seems like an unnecessary temper tantrum.

[GoTfan]

Imagine actually feeling sorry for the UN

The UN is not great, but leaving it over Israel would hurt our worldwide reputation far more than simply telling the Israelis to stfu and be better people.

This isn't leaving the UN, its just defunding the UN.  When the bill was created it also wasn't seen as very realistic to defund the UN so this basically just forces future presidents to keep a consistent foreign policy on this issue until a true solution can be created.

Defunding the UN based on one country's demands a has made my point about Israel's interference in American politics.

[lfromnj]

Imagine actually feeling sorry for the UN

The UN is not great, but leaving it over Israel would hurt our worldwide reputation far more than simply telling the Israelis to stfu and be better people.

This isn't leaving the UN, its just defunding the UN.  When the bill was created it also wasn't seen as very realistic to defund the UN so this basically just forces future presidents to keep a consistent foreign policy on this issue until a true solution can be created.

Defunding the UN based on one country's demands a has made my point about Israel's interference in American politics.

It isn't just Israel's demands. Its also based off legitimate US foreign policy interest in crafting a two state solution that fits our desires.

[David Hume]

Imagine actually feeling sorry for the UN

The UN is not great, but leaving it over Israel would hurt our worldwide reputation far more than simply telling the Israelis to stfu and be better people.

This isn't leaving the UN, its just defunding the UN.  When the bill was created it also wasn't seen as very realistic to defund the UN so this basically just forces future presidents to keep a consistent foreign policy on this issue until a true solution can be created.

Three are many more important issues in FP than Israel.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I could care less about all the corrupt reprobates in the UN, but sacrificing all the influence that funding gives us because of Israel of all things is ridiculous.

This, pretty much.  The UN is full of reprobate nations, but it IS the World's Forum that we DO have influence in.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Even if it's US law I find it very presumptuous an undiplomatic for the Israeli ambassador to talk like that about the affairs of another nation.

[Open Source Intelligence]

Even if it's US law I find it very presumptuous an undiplomatic for the Israeli ambassador to talk like that about the affairs of another nation.

Did you see the resolution going around signed by Republican Congress members preparing sanctions on the International Criminal Court officials if they have arrest warrants out for Israeli officials? Maybe Israel has reasons to talk so brazenly. I'm pretty confident they're having at the very least indirect discussions with Congressmen.

http://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/house-republicans-icc-sanctions-draft-precaution

It is ridiculous, but this and many other instances show the ICC will never be allowed to operate in totality and should just politely be called a well meaning failure like the Kellogg-Briand Pact.

[Open Source Intelligence]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-cuts-unesco-funding-after-palestinian-vote/

The lopsided vote to admit Palestine as a member of UNESCO, which only the United States and 13 other countries opposed, triggered a long-standing congressional ban on U.S. funding to U.N. bodies that recognize Palestine as a state before an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal is reached. The State Department said a $60 million payment to UNESCO scheduled for November would not be made as a result, and U.S. officials warned of a "cascade" effect at other U.N. bodies that might follow UNESCO's lead.

Imagine if we did these kinds of things in the '70s on the ROC to PRC transition.

We already did this for UNESCO under Obama. Trump fully left UNESCO but Biden rejoined in 2023. It is the law and although theoretically Biden could abstain on statehood the ramifications of that would be huge.

If he won reelection, he could threaten it to Israel in say December this year to force Israel back. 2 years of runway afterward.

Kind of amazing how our presidential election in 6 months is driving decision-making of the  parties in 2 wars at present.

[Red Velvet]

I wasn’t aware officials from other countries could tell what officials from countries that aren’t theirs will do, but it goes to show how much USA is worldwide recognized as Israel’s lapdog that even Israeli ambassador will confidently say something of this kind and not sound like delusion. He’s probably correct.

I don’t support Israel, but I do support US getting out of UN for Israel btw. The less US presence in the global institutions, the better and that is the isolationist path they’re clearly choosing for themselves not just with Trump, but with Biden as well.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I wasn’t aware officials from other countries could tell what officials from countries that aren’t theirs will do,

That's the funniest thing a Putin simp could say.

[Pres Mike]

President Biden is more likely to have the US recognize Palestine and not veto UN membership than defund the UN lol

[Sir Mohamed]

Imagine actually feeling sorry for the UN

Yup. I used the like the UN and still think it's a good concept, but the last 20-25 years showed that it's not functioning the way it should. The Security Council at least should be reformed and veto powers be stripped.

[jojoju1998]

Imagine actually feeling sorry for the UN

The UN is not great, but leaving it over Israel would hurt our worldwide reputation far more than simply telling the Israelis to stfu and be better people.

This isn't leaving the UN, its just defunding the UN.  When the bill was created it also wasn't seen as very realistic to defund the UN so this basically just forces future presidents to keep a consistent foreign policy on this issue until a true solution can be created.

Defunding the UN based on one country's demands a has made my point about Israel's interference in American politics.

I wasn’t aware officials from other countries could tell what officials from countries that aren’t theirs will do, but it goes to show how much USA is worldwide recognized as Israel’s lapdog that even Israeli ambassador will confidently say something of this kind and not sound like delusion. He’s probably correct.

I don’t support Israel, but I do support US getting out of UN for Israel btw. The less US presence in the global institutions, the better and that is the isolationist path they’re clearly choosing for themselves not just with Trump, but with Biden as well.

Counterpoint : The US far right has sought to damage the UN for sometime now. There was always a skepticism of the UN coming from the right wing of the Republican Party. Israel's only taking advantage of the populist isolationist sentiment.

Remember the John BIrch Society ? National Review ?

[Red Velvet]

President Biden is more likely to have the US recognize Palestine and not veto UN membership than defund the UN lol

hahaha do you really strongly believe in that? It’s possible but I wouldn’t be this confident.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Imagine actually feeling sorry for the UN

The UN is not great, but leaving it over Israel would hurt our worldwide reputation far more than simply telling the Israelis to stfu and be better people.

This isn't leaving the UN, its just defunding the UN.  When the bill was created it also wasn't seen as very realistic to defund the UN so this basically just forces future presidents to keep a consistent foreign policy on this issue until a true solution can be created.

Defunding the UN based on one country's demands a has made my point about Israel's interference in American politics.

It isn't just Israel's demands. Its also based off legitimate US foreign policy interest in crafting a two state solution that fits our desires.

Well the Israelis aren’t at all interested in a two state solution so good luck!