StatesRights' Residual Popularity in Dixie

[Gustaf]

DC was built by slaves beacause the South forced that decision through congress.

That the South was in favour of slavery and the North opposed to it is a fact that cannot be disputed.

[John Dibble]

That the South was in favour of slavery and the North opposed to it is a fact that cannot be disputed.

The North had slavery too, and only got rid of it because it wasn't economically sound for them to continue having it when they did get rid of it. A good deal of Northerners were for slavery, in fact the abolition movement wasn't even a majority in the North if I'm not mistaken. And believe you me, the North was also quite racist - everywhere in the country was back in those days.

[King]

shameful past??? What are you talking about. The south should not be shameful of NOTHING.

Nothing.

...

Note that josh said the south should not be shameful of nothing, but shameful of something.

[7,052,770]

It should be duly noted that htmldon did not bring up slavery.  The SAP did when they tried to define their Party by the borders of the old slave owning states.  It may have been a slip of the tongue, but you can't possibly have believed you'd get off scott free for it, did you?  Take your lumps and move on with life.

It should also be noted that htmldon only brought up lynching when josh22 made the ludicrous statement that the south had nothing to be ashamed of.  Does anyone really believe that?  So again, take your lumps and move on with life.

It should be noted as well that its more than a little bit unconvincing to call htmldon, former Governor of the Southeast, a person with an anti-Southeast vendetta.  You can't believe that, either, now do you?  Take your lumps and move on with life.

The SAp will win this election anyway.  I'm able to move on from the Civil War and let a Forum Legend be Governor again, so what?  At least there's one election this month where ideology matters less to voters than how much they like the candidate personally.

WE NEVER ING TRIED TO DEFINE OURSELVES ON SLAVERY.  IT WAS AN EARLY IDEA THAT WAS TOSSED OUT BEFORE WE FOUNDED OUR PARTY.  SO QUIT WITH THE BULLsh**t PROPAGANDA AND QUIT YOUR BITCHING ABOUT OUR PARTY!

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Ya'll have every right to form whatever kind of party that you want, but I think we are well within our rights to criticize your ideology just as some of your members have questioned ours.

The statements of your members indicate that your party has been founded for the following reasons:
1) "Dixie Unionism", the concept of all of the states that were in the CSA (or as you put it, all of the states that had slavery in 1860) being in one region and one district
2) a uniqueness about being southern, having "nothing to be ashamed of" as one of your membesr put it

Given that you have been a candidate who was almost elected to the Presidency and claim some measure of legitimacy among the forum's left-wingers, and you have a member of your Party who will serve as our part-Governor and claims legitimacy among the forum's right-wingers;  I think it is more than appropriate that the ideological foundation of yall's Party is open to public scrutiny.  Ya'll are taking this as a personal attack when it is nothing more than an ideological one.  You may not have a racist bone in your body -- but racism exists not just because people believe in it -- it exists when the conditions are created that allow it to fester.

It was clear that Strom Thurmond had no problem with blacks as he had sexual intercourse with at least one.  I think most historians agree that George Wallace was not personally racist but was a pawn in the politics of the era.  It is also clear that Senator Thurmond and Governor Wallace were involved in a movement whose ideology was, if not inherently racist, was based on concepts and ideas that tolerated racist thought and did not fight against it.  If you aren't fighting racism and bigotry, then you might as well be a racist and a bigot.

I am a proud Tennessean and a proud southerner.  But that doesn't preclude me from being very, very ashamed at our past.  I am not proud of our past, I am proud of the progress that we have made in getting away from that past.  I refuse to celebrate the southern symbols that flew over slavery and segregation, but I proudly embrace the equally southern symbols that have flown over a society that has moved from an agrarian backwater nightmare to perhaps the most modern and progressive area of the nation in a mere 40 years.  I am proud of the struggle and the sacrifice of southern citizens, many of whom were martyred at the hands of a society that knew better, a savage culture that had the Word of God in its hands but refused to follow its precepts.

If you believe that the north is/was racist, you would be right.  The problem here is the scale of the problem.  Gitmo and Auschwitz both share the trait of being prison camps.  But one of those was inhuman and horiffic, and the other isn't.  Unfortunately, just as Senator Durbin wants to blur the difference for his own political agenda, many neo-confederates want to blur the difference between north and south in order to rewrite history.

[7,052,770]

I'm ashamed of some features of the South's past as well, don, but I don't throw away Southern pride along with it.  Sure the South doesn't have a spotless history, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't celebrate the good aspects.
And our party has been much more intensely criticized than any other party in the history of Atlasia and you're glossing over it, exactly what you're accusing us of doing over the South's past.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Yeah, I mean its not like you were involved in an "Anti-UAC Coalition" or anything.   Oh, wait.. you were.

[7,052,770]

Yeah, I mean its not like you were involved in an "Anti-UAC Coalition" or anything.   Oh, wait.. you were.

Don't start mudslinging...seriously Don.  We all (are supposed to) know the story behind that.  I used to think you were mature, but comments like that and crusades against our party show that you're not.

For those of you who don't know, the Anti-UAC Coalition, which was not its official name, was started by Stevennick and joined in by me and Statesrights and Texasgurl and Boss Tweed as a senate group to counter the powerful UAC.  It wasn't an attack on the party, but rather a political alliance.  It wasn't mean sprited, and we let it go quickly.  Don's comparison is not valid at all.

[Ebowed]

Yeah, I mean its not like you were involved in an "Anti-UAC Coalition" or anything.   Oh, wait.. you were.

What the hell did that have to do with anything?

[Bono]

Yeah, I mean its not like you were involved in an "Anti-UAC Coalition" or anything.   Oh, wait.. you were.

What the hell did that have to do with anything?

Nothing, but throwing ashes is fun.

[Akno21]

Yeah, I mean its not like you were involved in an "Anti-UAC Coalition" or anything.   Oh, wait.. you were.

What the hell did that have to do with anything?

Harry said the SAP has been unfairly criticized and attacked more than any other party, so Don pointed out what he believes to be Harry's "actions" against the UAC.

[7,052,770]

Yeah, I mean its not like you were involved in an "Anti-UAC Coalition" or anything.   Oh, wait.. you were.

What the hell did that have to do with anything?

Harry said the SAP has been unfairly criticized and attacked more than any other party, so Don pointed out what he believes to be Harry's "actions" against the UAC.

how a short-lived political coalition to ensure the survival of the Left and the Right compares to a large incessant brutal attack on our party that is partially based on untruths, I don't know

[Akno21]

Yeah, I mean its not like you were involved in an "Anti-UAC Coalition" or anything.   Oh, wait.. you were.

What the hell did that have to do with anything?

Harry said the SAP has been unfairly criticized and attacked more than any other party, so Don pointed out what he believes to be Harry's "actions" against the UAC.

how a short-lived political coalition to ensure the survival of the Left and the Right compares to a large incessant brutal attack on our party that is partially based on untruths, I don't know

I didn't say the comparison was valid, but that was Don's point, I believe.

[Inmate Trump]

I haven't voted here since....I don't know when.  Plus, I just returned to the southeast.

But if I could have, I would've voted against States, no matter who the other candidate was.  But now that he's governor, I suppose I'll have to just support him and keep my mouth shut....or fear a lynching for flaunting my sexuality around too much.

Discrimination returns to the south......

[minionofmidas]

I haven't voted here since....I don't know when.  Plus, I just returned to the southeast.

But if I could have, I would've voted against States, no matter who the other candidate was.  But now that he's governor, I suppose I'll have to just support him and keep my mouth shut....or fear a lynching for flaunting my sexuality around too much.

Discrimination returns to the south......

He isn't...yet. They tied. They'll share the term. States gets the second half.

[??????????]

I haven't voted here since....I don't know when.  Plus, I just returned to the southeast.

But if I could have, I would've voted against States, no matter who the other candidate was.  But now that he's governor, I suppose I'll have to just support him and keep my mouth shut....or fear a lynching for flaunting my sexuality around too much.

Discrimination returns to the south......

Quit trolling.

[minionofmidas]

I haven't voted here since....I don't know when.  Plus, I just returned to the southeast.

But if I could have, I would've voted against States, no matter who the other candidate was.  But now that he's governor, I suppose I'll have to just support him and keep my mouth shut....or fear a lynching for flaunting my sexuality around too much.

Discrimination returns to the south......

Quit trolling.

Quit trolling.







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[Gustaf]

That the South was in favour of slavery and the North opposed to it is a fact that cannot be disputed.

The North had slavery too, and only got rid of it because it wasn't economically sound for them to continue having it when they did get rid of it. A good deal of Northerners were for slavery, in fact the abolition movement wasn't even a majority in the North if I'm not mistaken. And believe you me, the North was also quite racist - everywhere in the country was back in those days.

"That the South was in favour of slavery and the North opposed to it is a fact that cannot be disputed".

Unsurprisingly, you didn't with your post, though the things you say are mostly true.

[Gustaf]

Yeah, I mean its not like you were involved in an "Anti-UAC Coalition" or anything.   Oh, wait.. you were.

What the hell did that have to do with anything?

Harry said the SAP has been unfairly criticized and attacked more than any other party, so Don pointed out what he believes to be Harry's "actions" against the UAC.

how a short-lived political coalition to ensure the survival of the Left and the Right compares to a large incessant brutal attack on our party that is partially based on untruths, I don't know

Now let's not forget that the reason for it being short-lived was that it was criticized so much that the founders ran out of arguments for being in it. Also it's nice to see Harry admitting to the anti-UAC coalition existing and him being in it. Finally, whatever its official name was, the ONLY aim of it was to prevent the UAC from getting power. Thus, people from the ideological extremes joined against us.

[minionofmidas]

Please. To keep you from staying in power for ever.

They needn't have worried.

[Gustaf]

Please. To keep you from staying in power for ever.

They needn't have worried.

Hehe...I think the anti-UAC coalition was founded before I ran for president.

[minionofmidas]

Please. To keep you from staying in power for ever.

They needn't have worried.

Hehe...I think the anti-UAC coalition was founded before I ran for president.

Maybe. I don't remember too clearly. But I do remember that was the fear of many people. There's no reason to fear that about the Southern Alliance, so I honestly have no clue what Pete et al are on about right now. Well I do.

[7,052,770]

Also it's nice to see Harry admitting to the anti-UAC coalition existing and him being in it.

What the hell?  I've NEVER denied it; in fact I TOLD JFK about it and my place in it.  I could link to the thread if I needed to.  Seriously, don't attack me with blatant lies.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

<sarcasm>

Yeah Clay, you could never become Governor with people knowing that you're bi.

</sarcasm>

I haven't voted here since....I don't know when.  Plus, I just returned to the southeast.

But if I could have, I would've voted against States, no matter who the other candidate was.  But now that he's governor, I suppose I'll have to just support him and keep my mouth shut....or fear a lynching for flaunting my sexuality around too much.

Discrimination returns to the south......

I'll give you a piece of friendly advice: If you want to be elected in the southeast, you might want to stop talking about your sexual preference and remove it from your signature.

[ilikeverin]

<sarcasm>

Yeah Clay, you could never become Governor with people knowing that you're bi.

</sarcasm>

I haven't voted here since....I don't know when. Plus, I just returned to the southeast.

But if I could have, I would've voted against States, no matter who the other candidate was. But now that he's governor, I suppose I'll have to just support him and keep my mouth shut....or fear a lynching for flaunting my sexuality around too much.

Discrimination returns to the south......

I'll give you a piece of friendly advice: If you want to be elected in the southeast, you might want to stop talking about your sexual preference and remove it from your signature.

Silly Don!  That was the FEC's doing!  Now that the FEC has been banished (and rightfully so) from the Southeast, Southeasterners are free to be discriminatory against people of alternate sexualities (though I think the correct term in the Southeast is 'fags') again!  Hooray!  The natural state of the Southeast has been restored!