Do you agree? (payment equality)

[Richard]

Do you agree with the following statements?


All other factors equal, a more intelligent man is justified in earning more money.

All other factors equal, a person working x% harder/more is justified in earning more money.

All other factors equal, a older, more experienced person is justified in earning more money.

All other factors equal, a white/black/other race person is justified in earning more money.

All other factors equal, a man/woman is justified earning more money over a woman/man.


The above does not necessarily apply to the same jobs, but it can.  Consider both cases.

[MODU]

In general, yes I agree. 

[opebo]

Do you agree with the following statements?

All other factors equal, a more intelligent man is justified in earning more money. 
NO.  The idea that payment need be justified, or is distributed according to some system of ethics is fatuous.  Of course payment is accorded based on political power.

All other factors equal, a person working x% harder/more is justified in earning more money.
NO.  See above.

All other factors equal, a older, more experienced person is justified in earning more money.
NO, though I am not against seniority schemes if agreed upon by a unions members.

All other factors equal, a white/black/other race person is justified in earning more money.
NO.  Though it is certainly true that throughout most of modern history, the white has been relatively overpayed, and still is.  Which proves that it is political power which assigns payment.

All other factors equal, a man/woman is justified earning more money over a woman/man.
NO.  Though it is certainly true that throughout history, the male has been relatively overpaid, and still is.  Which proves that it is political power which assigns payment.

[adam]

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

No.

No.

[Richard]

Opebo, what about people that study for 10 years after high school to become say, a lawyer?  Are they not justified in earning more than those that chose not to make the investment?

[Frodo]

Do you agree with the following statements?
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All other factors equal, a more intelligent man is justified in earning more money.

Yes

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Yes

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If you mean based on race, no.

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If you mean based on gender, no.

[Citizen James]

All other factors equal, a more intelligent man is justified in earning more money.

Than whom

All other factors equal, a person working x% harder/more is justified in earning more money.

Harder at the same job, or a different one?  Is being more efficent in doing one's job something to be punished as the effecient worker isn't working 'as hard' even if they are doing more?

All other factors equal, a older, more experienced person is justified in earning more money.

Generally, yes - but only in terms of experience, not age.

All other factors equal, a white/black/other race person is justified in earning more money.

Absolutely not.  Race should have no role in determining pay

All other factors equal, a man/woman is justified earning more money over a woman/man.

Generally not.  Gender specificly should not be a basis for pay rates.  (some exceptions such as sports where one gender's leagues gain higher revenue than another - but then that isn't 'all other factors equal'

[dazzleman]

All other factors equal, a more intelligent man is justified in earning more money. 

>>>>If the job requires intelligence, then yes.  Otherwise, no.

All other factors equal, a person working x% harder/more is justified in earning more money. 

>>>>>Yes.

All other factors equal, a older, more experienced person is justified in earning more money. 

>>>>>>Again, it depends on whether the additional experience adds to job performance.  If so, yes.  If not, no.

All other factors equal, a white/black/other race person is justified in earning more money. 

>>>>>>No.  Race should not have anything to do with earnings, if all other things are equal.

All other factors equal, a man/woman is justified earning more money over a woman/man.

>>>>>No.  There should be no pay differential for gender if all other things are equal.

[Richard]

Why not race and sex?  Why other factors, even those born with such as intelligence, but not race and sex?  A black man is certainly preferable over an Asian women as a firefighter and should be earning more in the same job.

[Alcon]

Why not race and sex?  Why other factors, even those born with such as intelligence, but not race and sex?  A black man is certainly preferable over an Asian women as a firefighter and should be earning more in the same job.

The question set sort of implies that the only difference is that provided.  If we're assuming there are other differences involved, I might as well say no to all the options, because the preferrable candidate could be a serial rapist or something.

[dazzleman]

Why not race and sex?  Why other factors, even those born with such as intelligence, but not race and sex?  A black man is certainly preferable over an Asian women as a firefighter and should be earning more in the same job.

You said all other things being equal.

For a firefighter, strength is an essential component of the job.  If one person is stronger than another, then all other things are not equal in that case.

If a job does not require physical strength, then it should not be a factor, but for a firefighter, it certainly is.

Still, desirability should then be based on strength, not gender or race.  A black man is not more desirable for the job than an Asian woman because he is a black man, but because he is presumably stronger, and therefore able to deliver a better job performance.

[Ebowed]

For a firefighter, strength is an essential component of the job.  If one person is stronger than another, then all other things are not equal in that case.

If a job does not require physical strength, then it should not be a factor, but for a firefighter, it certainly is.

Still, desirability should then be based on strength, not gender or race.  A black man is not more desirable for the job than an Asian woman because he is a black man, but because he is presumably stronger, and therefore able to deliver a better job performance.

^^^ I totally agree.

[afleitch]

All other factors equal, a more intelligent man is justified in earning more money.

NO. Intelligence in what? Academics? A skilled mechanic can make alot more money than someone who has a degree. It's how you apply yourself that counts and how you motivate yourself to find and hold wrok, regardless of 'intelligence'

All other factors equal, a person working x% harder/more is justified in earning more money.

YES.

All other factors equal, a older, more experienced person is justified in earning more money.

NO. As that is a double eged statement. More experienced, yes, but age should not determine income.

All other factors equal, a white/black/other race person is justified in earning more money.

NO. As there is no comparison to measure them against.

All other factors equal, a man/woman is justified earning more money over a woman/man.

NO. If all other factors are equal so should pay regardless of sex.

[John Dibble]

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

No.

No.

[J. J.]

All other factors equal, a more intelligent man is justified in earning more money.

No, someone could be more intelligent and not produce as much as someone less intelligent. 



All other factors equal, a person working x% harder/more is justified in earning more money.

Yes.

All other factors equal, a older, more experienced person is justified in earning more money.

Provided that this experience is relevant to the job, yes.


All other factors equal, a white/black/other race person is justified in earning more money.

Yes.


All other factors equal, a man/woman is justified earning more money over a woman/man.

This will depend on the individual.  See the first answer.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

All other factors equal, a more intelligent man is justified in earning more money.
Yes, assuming the job is one in which intelligence provides a comparative advantage.

All other factors equal, a person working x% harder/more is justified in earning more money.
Yes, assuiming that there is a correlation between effort and results.

All other factors equal, a older, more experienced person is justified in earning more money.
Yes, but one can also argue for paying more to those who are young and innovative, depending on the type of job.

All other factors equal, a white/black/other race person is justified in earning more money.
Possibly in sales jobs, where the prejudices of customers would cause customers to buy more from those of certain races, but paying on a commission basis would settle that issue without introducing the added biases of employers.

All other factors equal, a man/woman is justified earning more money over a woman/man.
As above for race, plus do you really want to see Hooters' Guys?  Since sex sells, I have no problem those doing the selling making the money, even tho it does seem rather unfair for us men.