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Senator Spark
Spark498
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« on: September 10, 2016, 10:11:11 AM »

Trump will win Colorado, while Hillary wins Nevada.

-Colorado has legalized marijuana and is more liberal on social issues. Trump is more socially moderate than most Republicans.
-Colorado is more libertarian, which is the reason why Johnson should perform well here at 8%. This will take away from both sides but more from Hillary.
-Although Colorado has a sizable Hispanic population, it also has a high number of Independents, and Trump is leading among them.
-Colorado dislikes the Clintons.

-Hispanics are undersampled in Nevada
-Clark county will go heavily for Clinton, while Trump takes Washoe county.
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Senator Spark
Spark498
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2016, 11:00:19 AM »

Huh
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Senator Spark
Spark498
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2016, 04:53:48 PM »
« Edited: September 10, 2016, 05:16:38 PM by Spark498 »



Trump:  273
Clinton: 265

0-3% Toss-up = 30%
3-5% Lean = 40%
5-10% Likely = 50%
10-15% Solid = 70%
15% + Safe = 90%
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Senator Spark
Spark498
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2016, 05:04:01 PM »

How can Trump win Colorado? New Hampshire looks very difficult for him as well.

It is very possible. Please reference my other thread.
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Senator Spark
Spark498
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2016, 06:34:02 PM »

No way is Trump winning Colorado and New Hampshire. Also, Iowa and Ohio are definitely not "Likely Trump." Is it impossible for you to predict a win for Hillary Clinton? If so, you're in for a rough time on election night. Even though Trump has been clearly behind for most of the race, sometimes by a lot, I'm still not ruling out the possibility that he could win.

He now has a chance in CO. NH should shift after the debates, and IA & OH are definitely in his column right now. It is difficult to see a scenario in which she wins, and if she somehow managed to win, it would be a narrow victory.
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Senator Spark
Spark498
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,728
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Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: 0.00

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2016, 06:52:19 PM »

Huh
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Senator Spark
Spark498
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2016, 07:39:26 PM »
« Edited: September 10, 2016, 07:42:42 PM by Spark498 »

Is this likely to work and can he win WI & MI that haven't gone R since 1984 & 1988? He has appeal to working class people and is reaching out to AA communities. Will this be enough to put these states in his column? OH definitely will be voting for Trump this November, but PA seems to be shifting more to the left and I now agree that Hillary Clinton will win my state barely. However, I am less certain about Wisconsin & Michigan. She seems to be having trouble in the polls in these states.
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Senator Spark
Spark498
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,728
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: 0.00

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2016, 07:44:27 PM »
« Edited: September 10, 2016, 07:47:06 PM by Spark498 »

No way is Trump winning Colorado and New Hampshire. Also, Iowa and Ohio are definitely not "Likely Trump." Is it impossible for you to predict a win for Hillary Clinton? If so, you're in for a rough time on election night. Even though Trump has been clearly behind for most of the race, sometimes by a lot, I'm still not ruling out the possibility that he could win.

He now has a chance in CO. NH should shift after the debates, and IA & OH are definitely in his column right now. It is difficult to see a scenario in which she wins, and if she somehow managed to win, it would be a narrow victory.

So two states that are very close must be locks for Trump, but a states where he's been consistently down, sometimes by double digits, are totally winnable for him? Okay then, if I use that logic...

North Carolina and Florida are in Hillary's column. Hillary has a chance in Indiana, even if she's down right now. Missouri should shift to Hillary after the debates.

Is it that hard to imagine a scenario in which Hillary wins? Trump may have gained over the past month, but that doesn't mean his gains will continue. Polling suggests a decisive victory for Hillary is very plausible, if not likely.

Hillary has ground to lose, and it is Trump's to gain. The debates will only help him in the end, and he can only lose if he decides not to show up. Hillary will continue to go backwards and the momentum will shift even further after the first debate. It only will get worse for her and it can possibly turn into a Trump lead equivalent to Clinton's post-convention bounce.

Here is a scenario in which Crooked Hillary prevails:



272-266
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Senator Spark
Spark498
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Junior Chimp
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Posts: 9,728
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Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: 0.00

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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2016, 07:56:21 PM »
« Edited: September 10, 2016, 07:59:10 PM by Spark498 »

No way is Trump winning Colorado and New Hampshire. Also, Iowa and Ohio are definitely not "Likely Trump." Is it impossible for you to predict a win for Hillary Clinton? If so, you're in for a rough time on election night. Even though Trump has been clearly behind for most of the race, sometimes by a lot, I'm still not ruling out the possibility that he could win.

He now has a chance in CO. NH should shift after the debates, and IA & OH are definitely in his column right now. It is difficult to see a scenario in which she wins, and if she somehow managed to win, it would be a narrow victory.

So two states that are very close must be locks for Trump, but a states where he's been consistently down, sometimes by double digits, are totally winnable for him? Okay then, if I use that logic...

North Carolina and Florida are in Hillary's column. Hillary has a chance in Indiana, even if she's down right now. Missouri should shift to Hillary after the debates.

Is it that hard to imagine a scenario in which Hillary wins? Trump may have gained over the past month, but that doesn't mean his gains will continue. Polling suggests a decisive victory for Hillary is very plausible, if not likely.

Hillary has ground to lose, and it is Trump's to gain. The debates will only help him in the end, and he can only lose if he decides not to show up. Hillary will continue to go backwards and the momentum will shift even further after the first debate.

Here is a scenario in which Crooked Hillary prevails:



272-266

Sorry to burst your bubble, but things can move in Hillary's direction. Many people are only now starting to pay attention to the election, and some might not until the debates. The assertion that the debates can only help Trump is ludicrous. If Trump comes across as a clueless child with temper issues (like he did in the Republican debates), he will likely lose ground. The map you showed seems like the best case scenario for Trump at the moment, minus the unwinnable Nevada. Just because you don't want Hillary to win and don't feel like she will doesn't mean she won't actually. It pays to look at polls, where the campaigns are spending money and time, and how much organization each campaign has. I just went with my gut feeling back in 2004, which told me Bush couldn't win again; I just couldn't imagine it. Reality doesn't have much regard for gut feelings, though.

It's not just because I don't want her to win, it's because she will not win. She is a damaged candidate and basically Kerry 2.0 if not worse. Barring a Trump collapse or mishap, he should win the election. Since his campaign changed hands, his numbers have improved and he has not been lashing out at anyone or group in particular. He has pivoted to a more presidential demeanor (visiting Mexico, Louisiana) that is appealing to the general public so far. Things can certainly change but probably will shift in Trump's favor if this continues. But if this cycle has taught us anything, it is unpredictable along with other factors (impending recession, terrorist attacks, party fatigue) and that definitely gives Trump an advantage. And btw don't worry Trump isn't winning Washington or even PA, I can realize that.
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Senator Spark
Spark498
Atlas Politician
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,728
United States


Political Matrix
E: -6.58, S: 0.00

P P P
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2016, 08:07:54 PM »

No way is Trump winning Colorado and New Hampshire. Also, Iowa and Ohio are definitely not "Likely Trump." Is it impossible for you to predict a win for Hillary Clinton? If so, you're in for a rough time on election night. Even though Trump has been clearly behind for most of the race, sometimes by a lot, I'm still not ruling out the possibility that he could win.

He now has a chance in CO. NH should shift after the debates, and IA & OH are definitely in his column right now. It is difficult to see a scenario in which she wins, and if she somehow managed to win, it would be a narrow victory.

So two states that are very close must be locks for Trump, but a states where he's been consistently down, sometimes by double digits, are totally winnable for him? Okay then, if I use that logic...

North Carolina and Florida are in Hillary's column. Hillary has a chance in Indiana, even if she's down right now. Missouri should shift to Hillary after the debates.

Is it that hard to imagine a scenario in which Hillary wins? Trump may have gained over the past month, but that doesn't mean his gains will continue. Polling suggests a decisive victory for Hillary is very plausible, if not likely.

Hillary has ground to lose, and it is Trump's to gain. The debates will only help him in the end, and he can only lose if he decides not to show up. Hillary will continue to go backwards and the momentum will shift even further after the first debate.

Here is a scenario in which Crooked Hillary prevails:



272-266

Sorry to burst your bubble, but things can move in Hillary's direction. Many people are only now starting to pay attention to the election, and some might not until the debates. The assertion that the debates can only help Trump is ludicrous. If Trump comes across as a clueless child with temper issues (like he did in the Republican debates), he will likely lose ground. The map you showed seems like the best case scenario for Trump at the moment, minus the unwinnable Nevada. Just because you don't want Hillary to win and don't feel like she will doesn't mean she won't actually. It pays to look at polls, where the campaigns are spending money and time, and how much organization each campaign has. I just went with my gut feeling back in 2004, which told me Bush couldn't win again; I just couldn't imagine it. Reality doesn't have much regard for gut feelings, though.

It's not just because I don't want her to win, it's because she will not win. She is a damaged candidate and basically Kerry 2.0 if not worse. Barring a Trump collapse or mishap, he should win the election. Since his campaign changed hands, his numbers have improved and he has not been lashing out at anyone or group in particular. He has pivoted to a more presidential demeanor (visiting Mexico, Louisiana) that is appealing to the general public so far. Things can certainly change but probably will shift in Trump's favor if this continues. But if this cycle has taught us anything, it is unpredictable along with other factors (impending recession, terrorist attacks, party fatigue) and that definitely gives Trump an advantage. And btw don't worry Trump isn't winning Washington or even PA, I can realize that.

If Trump isn't winning PA, he almost certainly isn't winning the election. PA is by far the most likely tipping point state (other than maybe FL, but he would have to win PA for that to happen.) Be careful about making predictions with that much certainty. You're only setting yourself up for even greater disappointment. How do you know Trump won't say something insulting (or several insulting things) during the debates? That's not to say he has a more presidential demeanor. He has said plenty of insulting things over the past month. Unpredictability does not necessarily favor Trump. It could just as easily mean that things will move in Hillary's direction. All I will say is: Believe that Hillary can't win at your own peril. Should Hillary Clinton be projected to become the 45th President on the night of November 8th, don't say I didn't warn you.

I'm not worried about her becoming president, because I know that she is disqualified and it just isn't happening. I won't be disappointed if Trump loses a close election. There are other states in the Midwest that he can flip such as Wisconsin or Michigan which are looking more likely at this point. Hillary can prepare all that she wants, but it is Trump that changes how people perceive him and has the ability to play to his audience.
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