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« on: August 28, 2014, 02:19:42 PM »
« edited: August 28, 2014, 02:32:00 PM by MooMooMoo »

Negative, too restrictive.

Horrifying. Women should be able to choose a safe and legal abortion, free of charge and on demand, for any reason and without any questions asked or artificial hoops constructed for her to jump through in order to exercise that right (i.e. waiting periods or mandatory viewing of a sonogram, etc.)

Ha, I would love to see you and TJ debate on abortion.

Not really. They would probably just moo at each other for 25 minutes. No land wars in Asia. No "debates" about abortion.


Obviously terrible laws.

Here we've mostly learnt that the term 'danger' is a very ambiguous one.

Abortion restrictions inevitably endanger the mother, even when the exception for her life supposedly exists.  I'm not sure who decides or how they decide whether or not the mother's life is threatened.  When women need an urgent, lifesaving procedure, abortion restrictions result in them being burdened by having "prove" that their lives are at risk.  Doctors may still be afraid to treat them because they're afraid of the law.  

It will be interesting to see how someone gets a legal abortion through a rape exception. Obviously, you don't wait until you have an adjudication of guilt of the perp.

Further, who provides exception to personhood laws/abortion bans? Only 5-10% of abortions in this country can be considered forensic (rape, incest?(I find this exception from moderate pro-personhooders to be odd), pregnancy caused by a felony?) or critically therapeutic (threat to mother's life). No abortion clinic will stay open just to perform maybe a few dozen abortions a year (There are 500 abortionists and 1,000,000 abortions in the US..and after such a law, there would be like 100,000?).  Maybe what separates personhoods from those that are moderate antiabortionists is that they don't support exceptions for forensic abortion. Critically therapeutic abortions are probably 2%-3% of all abortions...and that's pushing it. Who will perform them? Who performs them in Ireland?




I'm against personhood.

In total, these are bad laws. Because this is basically a personhood law, how does this constitutional amendment change birth control access and stem cell transplants?

Who determines if the criteria for an exception is satisfied and how does one redeem their sanctioned abortion? I'm guessing its all done at the hospital and there is an emergency hearing in front of a judge or that the local prosecutorial officer signs an affidavit to not prosecute once he talks to the doctors at the hospital?
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2014, 08:42:52 AM »

American laws are basically unrestricted as well. UK is more restrictive.

UK restricts procedurally. You have to file for an abortion and make the doctors and hearing officer believe that you should have an abortion and that it is for a non-frivolous reason. The US restricts substantively through time, place and manner that they may be done. i.e. in the UK, you have to file for abortion and the US, you have to prove that you really want one  even though your local government says that you shouldn't and forces you to spend time to prove it and forces the doctor to spend money to prove he really wants to perform it.
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