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 on: Today at 07:50:48 AM 
Started by ηєω ƒяσηтιєя - Last post by Filuwaúrdjan
Well, New Zealand would have been the objectively correct answer (of the options given, anyway) until about forty years ago, and many stereotypes have not really caught up.

So what would the answer be today in your opinion?

A tie between Australia and New Zealand. Liberalization made Australia mildly more like Britain as the elements of Australian society and political economy that withered in the face of it had no real equivalent here, whereas liberalization in New Zealand made it a lot less like Britain, compared to how it had been before, in part due to the way in which it was done (we can make a lot of 'Post Soviet Britain' jokes about particular privatizations and how they played out here, but the equivalents just wouldn't work in New Zealand) and the extent to which it was taken.

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 on: Today at 07:41:27 AM 
Started by Open Source Intelligence - Last post by Open Source Intelligence
There shouldn't be a partisan narrative. The problem is that the lab claim was made prior to the emergence of evidence. Asking questions is one thing, but you don't get points for guessing sh!t.

This is from the famous Nicholas Wade article written in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists in May 2021.

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

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From early on, public and media perceptions were shaped in favor of the natural emergence scenario by strong statements from two scientific groups. These statements were not at first examined as critically as they should have been.

“We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin,” a group of virologists and others wrote in the Lancet on February 19, 2020, when it was really far too soon for anyone to be sure what had happened. Scientists “overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife,” they said, with a stirring rallying call for readers to stand with Chinese colleagues on the frontline of fighting the disease.

Contrary to the letter writers’ assertion, the idea that the virus might have escaped from a lab invoked accident, not conspiracy. It surely needed to be explored, not rejected out of hand. A defining mark of good scientists is that they go to great pains to distinguish between what they know and what they don’t know. By this criterion, the signatories of the Lancet letter were behaving as poor scientists: They were assuring the public of facts they could not know for sure were true.

It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Daszak’s organization funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”

Virologists like Daszak had much at stake in the assigning of blame for the pandemic. For 20 years, mostly beneath the public’s attention, they had been playing a dangerous game. In their laboratories they routinely created viruses more dangerous than those that exist in nature. They argued that they could do so safely, and that by getting ahead of nature they could predict and prevent natural “spillovers,” the cross-over of viruses from an animal host to people. If SARS2 had indeed escaped from such a laboratory experiment, a savage blowback could be expected, and the storm of public indignation would affect virologists everywhere, not just in China. “It would shatter the scientific edifice top to bottom,” an MIT Technology Review editor, Antonio Regalado, said in March 2020.

A second statement that had enormous influence in shaping public attitudes was a letter (in other words an opinion piece, not a scientific article) published on 17 March 2020 in the journal Nature Medicine. Its authors were a group of virologists led by Kristian G. Andersen of the Scripps Research Institute. “Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus,” the five virologists declared in the second paragraph of their letter.

Unfortunately, this was another case of poor science, in the sense defined above. True, some older methods of cutting and pasting viral genomes retain tell-tale signs of manipulation. But newer methods, called “no-see-um” or “seamless” approaches, leave no defining marks. Nor do other methods for manipulating viruses such as serial passage, the repeated transfer of viruses from one culture of cells to another. If a virus has been manipulated, whether with a seamless method or by serial passage, there is no way of knowing that this is the case. Andersen and his colleagues were assuring their readers of something they could not know.

The discussion part of their letter begins, “It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus.” But wait, didn’t the lead say the virus had clearly not been manipulated? The authors’ degree of certainty seemed to slip several notches when it came to laying out their reasoning.

The reason for the slippage is clear once the technical language has been penetrated. The two reasons the authors give for supposing manipulation to be improbable are decidedly inconclusive.

First, they say that the spike protein of SARS2 binds very well to its target, the human ACE2 receptor, but does so in a different way from that which physical calculations suggest would be the best fit. Therefore the virus must have arisen by natural selection, not manipulation.

If this argument seems hard to grasp, it’s because it’s so strained. The authors’ basic assumption, not spelt out, is that anyone trying to make a bat virus bind to human cells could do so in only one way. First they would calculate the strongest possible fit between the human ACE2 receptor and the spike protein with which the virus latches onto it. They would then design the spike protein accordingly (by selecting the right string of amino acid units that compose it). Since the SARS2 spike protein is not of this calculated best design, the Andersen paper says, therefore it can’t have been manipulated.

But this ignores the way that virologists do in fact get spike proteins to bind to chosen targets, which is not by calculation but by splicing in spike protein genes from other viruses or by serial passage. With serial passage, each time the virus’s progeny are transferred to new cell cultures or animals, the more successful are selected until one emerges that makes a really tight bind to human cells. Natural selection has done all the heavy lifting. The Andersen paper’s speculation about designing a viral spike protein through calculation has no bearing on whether or not the virus was manipulated by one of the other two methods.

The authors’ second argument against manipulation is even more contrived. Although most living things use DNA as their hereditary material, a number of viruses use RNA, DNA’s close chemical cousin. But RNA is difficult to manipulate, so researchers working on coronaviruses, which are RNA-based, will first convert the RNA genome to DNA. They manipulate the DNA version, whether by adding or altering genes, and then arrange for the manipulated DNA genome to be converted back into infectious RNA.

Only a certain number of these DNA backbones have been described in the scientific literature. Anyone manipulating the SARS2 virus “would probably” have used one of these known backbones, the Andersen group writes, and since SARS2 is not derived from any of them, therefore it was not manipulated. But the argument is conspicuously inconclusive. DNA backbones are quite easy to make, so it’s obviously possible that SARS2 was manipulated using an unpublished DNA backbone.

And that’s it. These are the two arguments made by the Andersen group in support of their declaration that the SARS2 virus was clearly not manipulated. And this conclusion, grounded in nothing but two inconclusive speculations, convinced the world’s press that SARS2 could not have escaped from a lab. A technical critique of the Andersen letter takes it down in harsher words.

Science is supposedly a self-correcting community of experts who constantly check each other’s work. So why didn’t other virologists point out that the Andersen group’s argument was full of absurdly large holes? Perhaps because in today’s universities speech can be very costly. Careers can be destroyed for stepping out of line. Any virologist who challenges the community’s declared view risks having his next grant application turned down by the panel of fellow virologists that advises the government grant distribution agency.

The Daszak and Andersen letters were really political, not scientific, statements, yet were amazingly effective. Articles in the mainstream press repeatedly stated that a consensus of experts had ruled lab escape out of the question or extremely unlikely. Their authors relied for the most part on the Daszak and Andersen letters, failing to understand the yawning gaps in their arguments. Mainstream newspapers all have science journalists on their staff, as do the major networks, and these specialist reporters are supposed to be able to question scientists and check their assertions. But the Daszak and Andersen assertions went largely unchallenged.

Like you said, you don't get points for guessing sh*t.

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 on: Today at 07:37:14 AM 
Started by Open Source Intelligence - Last post by Open Source Intelligence
2 real responses to this, really? This pandemic killed 7 million people globally. Meanwhile there are 37 responses of some piece of sh*t Rep calling another piece of sh*t Rep a beach blonde butch bitch
look man, we have SUPER serious issues to discuss right now, a professional kicker said some crazy sh**t dontchaknow.  If you want people to pay attention and post in your threads, don't remind them of something they were wrong about, they hate that sh**t.  You've got to give the otherside something to bite on or at least some easy dunks so they can pat each other on the back and say "attaboy".

also, a naked link with no commentary or quote is not likely to spawn much.

We helped fund all this. We gave money to the Chinese government that was used outside of the terms of contract given to perform gain of function virus research. And years later, 7 million people are dead. The number of dead in Ukraine and Israel/Gaza combined from those wars will be a small fraction of 7 million to give a sense of scale to all this.

Meanwhile, Peter Daszak is still a free man that has not been charged with a crime.

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 on: Today at 07:31:25 AM 
Started by Reaganfan - Last post by Meclazine for Israel
His ability to speak Spanish.

George W Bush Espanol

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6mUCVgBnwe/


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 on: Today at 07:10:23 AM 
Started by Dr. MB - Last post by Hindsight was 2020
Most leftist/liberals would say these two events validate their beliefs that the right was engaging in bad faith from the start of these “free speech” and that it was always about defending reactionary/bigoted statements that the right agreed with or at the minimum defended out of political tribalism.

Doesn't that mean they're engaging in bad faith now when they bring up free speech then? If I ran my own university I wouldn't have rules like this about speech but I didn't make the rules at these places, the far left sensitivity police did. Blaming this on "conservatives" is completely baseless. They're just mad that they have to follow their own rules.
Since when are banning the speaking of a language been a “swj woke” position?

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 on: Today at 07:10:19 AM 
Started by Landslide Lyndon - Last post by Clarence Boddicker
Alito is the most hacky Republican on the court, so I’m not surprised.

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 on: Today at 07:03:36 AM 
Started by Harry Hayfield - Last post by Pericles

Labour's vote is becoming more efficient, as if a uniform swing wouldn't be bad enough for the Tories.

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 on: Today at 07:03:15 AM 
Started by Woody - Last post by EastwoodS
If Biden is in a solid position this fall, I think Georgia will come home for him.

GA still is full of the types of voters and communities that are shifting towards Democrats. But there will always be a very high floor of very conservative voters since it’s still in the Bible Belt. So for this race, I see it as a turnout battle.
I’m excited to see you cry when the Democrats get flushed down the sh**tter of human history.

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 on: Today at 07:02:00 AM 
Started by Mr. Smith - Last post by Pericles
Elizabeth Warren and Ted Kennedy, no question. That's a powerhouse Senate seat. While they didn't cut it as presidential contenders, they're the kind of people who belong in the Senate.

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 on: Today at 07:00:48 AM 
Started by ηєω ƒяσηтιєя - Last post by Pericles
How would Canada excluding Quebec compare?

New Zealand historically has been the closest to the UK, but there are also plenty of obvious differences. My impression is that we are more diverse than the UK and Australia. Along with Maori, we also have significant Pacific Islander and Asian populations. I'm not sure where the idea of Chinese being absent comes from.


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