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Supersonic
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Junior Chimp
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« on: July 22, 2013, 01:25:48 PM »

My views are, funnily enough, the complete opposite of andi's. I'm very much in favour of gambling and lottery deregulation, though strongly opposed to drug legalisation. I have mixed feelings on the other clauses.

Liberalization Act of 2013

1. The federal Legalization of Prostitution Act is recognized as applying to the IDS.

I oppose the federal legislation and I wouldn't have voted for it, but there is little choice to but acquiesce to its implementation in the region.

Gambling in the forms of bingo, poker, lottery, pari-mutuel betting, and sports betting shall be legal throughout the region. All forms of gambling in order to raise money for charities and all forms of gambling conducted on Native American reservations or at racetracks shall be legal throughout the region.

Yes, strongly support this.


Individuals may possess for personal use up to any quantity of marijuana, hashish, or cannabis oil, 40 pieces of magic mushrooms, 5 plants of peyote, 5 tablets of LSD, 4 tablets of ecstasy, 2 grams of amphetamine, 1 gram of MDMA, 2 grams of methamphetamine, 1.5 grams of heroin, 2 grams of morphine, 10 grams of opium, 0.1 grams of PCP, 0.5 grams of pure THC, 5 plants of coca, and 2 grams of cocaine with no legal punishment. Possession of larger than these amounts for personal use can result in a fine of up to $1000. Possession of higher than 100 times these amounts with intent to distribute can also result in a fine of up to $100,000. This article does not apply to minors and does not legalize illegal activities committed while under the influence of such drugs.

Completely objectionable. I could maybe stomach medical marijuana, but that's it.

4. The possession, sale, and purchase of pornographic materials by individuals older than the age of sixteen years shall be fully legal.

I could possibly support this, if the age is raised to eighteen.

Genital exposure with intent to shock those who do not want to see them shall be subject to a fine of up to $1000. This law does not apply to nude sunbathing, streaking, nude swimming, toplessness, or similar activities.

Yes, strongly support.

7. The act of sending or receiving nude or sexual images between two people between the ages of 13 and 18 where both individuals consent shall be fully legal. Sending the images to other persons without the consent of the person in the image shall be a misdemeanor but shall not result in the individual being labeled a sex offender.

Hmm, 13 feels a little low. Maybe increase it to 15? That or remove the misdemeanour's label and instead charge them as sex offenders. One or the other.

Individuals under the age of 12 in all seats and under the age of 18 in front seats must wear seatbelts when traveling in a motor vehicle. Violations of this law carry a fine of $100, but a law enforcement officer cannot stop or ticket an individual solely for not wearing a seatbelt, but only when the driver has committed another primary violation.

Seatbelts should be compulsory, sorry. We're literally asking for deaths in road accidents otherwise.

I support clause 9.
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Supersonic
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 01:27:45 PM »

If we did establish an age of consent, I'm thinking either 16 or 18 with a 3 year close-in-age exemption would be best. Any thoughts?

18 would be adequate. With a 2 year exemption down to 16.

Though I could accept 16 too without the exemption.
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Supersonic
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Political Matrix
E: 4.90, S: 0.35

« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2013, 01:56:45 PM »
« Edited: July 23, 2013, 01:58:45 PM by Supersonic »

Hash amendments on clause 3 plus the new clauses (from 8 to 12) address most of my concerns

I approve of all the clause amendments, bar 3, where I won't be voting for any drug decriminalisation. However, I recognise the effort made to include medical marijuana in the bill, and thank Hashemite for including my suggestions.

It banned their obligation. You got it.

Anyway, on Hash's amendment, I'd say age for possessing or purchasing pornography should be the same as age of consent, no reason to have two ages. So 16 for both seems right.

Hmm, yes, I would prefer 18 as the age of consent, though if we're to settle on 16, which I can accept, I feel it should be the same for pornography too. If only to simplify the law, approaching this from a pragmatic point of view.

If clause 3 was broken off the bill, I would be in the affirmative.
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2013, 01:11:06 PM »

Regions don't have the ability to restrict cocaine or medical marijuana.

Oh Jesus. What insanity.
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Supersonic
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2013, 11:09:10 AM »

I'm very much in favour of Dereich's proposed amendments, and I too would echo what Hashemite has said, twelve as an age of consent is ridiculously low. Horrors such as this are what happens when social libertarianism infects a region. Sixteen would be an acceptable age of consent, with preference for eighteen.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2013, 12:28:57 PM »

Aye to Hashemite's seatbelt/helmet amendment.
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Supersonic
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2013, 03:24:22 PM »

Personally, I still don't think I can vote for a bill with such liberal drug standards. Its problematic to encourage that kind of substance abuse.

I am in the same position. The South has been crippled by liberal (small-l) social laws, the age of consent standing out. My vote on this bill rests on what happens to the drugs clause, though of course, we are yet at that stage.
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2013, 01:48:26 PM »

Aye.

If this bill does pass, I would rather have the Control Board administration than completely unregulated drug laws. So a lesser of two evils vote.
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E: 4.90, S: 0.35

« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2013, 02:53:31 PM »

Aye.

If this bill does pass, I would rather have the Control Board administration than completely unregulated drug laws. So a lesser of two evils vote.

You should have voted nay, then. Dereich's amendment supresses the control board, but not the SJoyce's clause on drug possesion.

LOL. Yes, what a rookie error on my part.

Aye to the new amendment.
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2013, 07:52:19 AM »

Nay.
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