If Biden loses where does the Democratic Party go?

[OSR stands with Israel]

If Trump wins, there won't be a 2028 election, at least not a free and fair one.

The federal government does not run elections in this country . With the 2022 legislation that greatly reformed the electoral counting act , there is pretty much no way to overturn an election without the courts agreeing to do so while before that act there was .

[Hindsight was 2020]

If Trump wins, there won't be a 2028 election, at least not a free and fair one.

The federal government does not run elections in this country . With the 2022 legislation that greatly reformed the electoral counting act , there is pretty much no way to overturn an election without the courts agreeing to do so while before that act there was .

Well thank goodness Trump has no way to influence the courts……

[OSR stands with Israel]

If Trump wins, there won't be a 2028 election, at least not a free and fair one.

The federal government does not run elections in this country . With the 2022 legislation that greatly reformed the electoral counting act , there is pretty much no way to overturn an election without the courts agreeing to do so while before that act there was .

Well thank goodness Trump has no way to influence the courts……

Only Thomas and Alito went along with him last time and last time he wasn’t arguing why he should be allowed to run for a third term

[TheHegemonist]

In my opinion the best option is a governor with somewhat mixed positions, being economically populist and culturally/socially liberal but with more hardline positions on key issues like immigration. Probably more protectionist/isolationist on foreign policy and trade. That's the direction I feel the country is moving in, at least. And a governor would be good since they are closer to where people in the middle of the country are and don't have "Washington brain" or "Senate brain". The Democrats do have a lot of very effective governors all over the country that could make for strong presidential candidates - JB Pritzker, Gretchen Whitmer, Josh Shapiro, etc. - and I think any of them would make for a good leader of the party.

They'll probably just default to Kamala Harris though.

[Tekken_Guy]

If Trump wins, there won't be a 2028 election, at least not a free and fair one.

Stop saying that. There will be a 2028 election and while Trump may try to stop it from being free and fair he almost certainly won’t succeed.

[Medal506]

If Biden loses Biden likely runs again in 2028 and runs the table and wins the democratic nomination in 2028. He’ll probably win almost every contest and he’ll have a very good chance at making a comeback in 2028 in the general election. My guess is he’ll pick a different VP.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

If Biden loses Biden likely runs again in 2028 and runs the table and wins the democratic nomination in 2028. He’ll probably win almost every contest and he’ll have a very good chance at making a comeback in 2028 in the general election. My guess is he’ll pick a different VP.

Stop trying to make Biden 2028 happen! It's not going to happen!

[Tekken_Guy]

Stop trying to make Biden 2028 Trump 2024 happen! It's not going to happen!

[GoTfan]

If Trump wins, there won't be a 2028 election, at least not a free and fair one.

Stop saying that. There will be a 2028 election and while Trump may try to stop it from being free and fair he almost certainly won’t succeed.

He will succeed because the people being recruited around him are intelligent enough to force it.

If he wins this year, goodbye American democracy.

[Tekken_Guy]

If Trump wins, there won't be a 2028 election, at least not a free and fair one.

Stop saying that. There will be a 2028 election and while Trump may try to stop it from being free and fair he almost certainly won’t succeed.

He will succeed because the people being recruited around him are intelligent enough to force it.

If he wins this year, goodbye American democracy.

He will fail because of the resistance his plans face in congress, courts, and state/local governments. He can’t pull off his plans entirely through the executive branch.

[Devils30]

I can see a car crash of Dem governors claiming to be sensible moderates (while being huge pussies re: crime, immigration, etc.) with an actual hardcore lefty accumulating substantial support until either there is coordinated dropout to help the strongest polling governor, or the lefty wins. Lefty gets destroyed by VP Dakota Doug, "moderate governor" is close.

Dems have 2 potential routes- ones that could determine American politics for years.

1) 2028 becomes 1896, Dems nominate Whitmer or Shapiro and romp to a clear victory. With midterm Senate victories in AK, TX, NC, the party is center-left and enters 2029 with 53-54 Senate seats and seeks to grow its coalition further.

2) Dems go straight into the dumpster with the antisemitic protestors. 2024 is a breaking point and 2026 is a disappointment where Dems merely hold their current senate seats but cannot win AK/TX/NC or anything more. The anti-Israel rhetoric continues and the party becomes a mirror image of Elizabeth Warren and AOC. The communist and islamist slogans become constant and the only people who enjoy working in politics are the Corbynites. Moderate Dem senators in MI, AZ, MI, NV over the years just call it quits. Places like Lackawanna, PA vote 61-38 R.

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Blames everyone but themselves and then loses in 2028 with Harris.

[Ragnaroni]

My best guess : they swing to the left because they think they were too "moderate" then it backfires in a possible landslide loss and then they swing to the right, maybe pick up a few Trumpist positions (like trade and immigration). The Overton window could very well shift right.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He's not losing as I told you before and tell you again, an R in the WH, they won't do anything but renew the tax cuts for Business

[LAKISYLVANIA]

More economically populist but hard on immigration? More classically American right with promises of the state no longer getting in the way?

If Biden loses, there'll be two main things to blame: age and gaza.

No more 80 year olds running for pres

And no more genocide condoning.

[Eraserhead]

More economically populist but hard on immigration? More classically American right with promises of the state no longer getting in the way?

If Biden loses, there'll be two main things to blame: age and gaza.

No more 80 year olds running for pres

And no more genocide condoning.

Those are both definitely big factors but I think the economy trumps both of them... and by that I mean more how people feel like they're doing in this economy on a personal level. 

[Burke Bro]

If Biden loses, Democrats are going to have to come terms with two things.

First, you can't build a winning electoral coalition with only college educated voters. This coalition is an advantage in midterm and off-year elections, but not in a general election when most people are going to vote. They are still outnumbered 2 to 1, and the number of young Americans choosing to earn a college degree will decline in the coming decades as the value of a college education declines. Choosing to appeal to minority voters without a college education based just on racial fear tactics will be less effective as younger Americans have no connection to the civil rights movement and no memories of the Reagan presidency.

Second, how America views itself in the context of the world has changed. As the last of the WW2 veterans die off, younger Americans have no understanding of why the current world system was set up the way it was. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were objective failures. Our allies are now seen as freeloaders, and free trade is now seen as a net negative. Same with immigration. Democrats will need to wrestle these issues from Trump and build a popular public association with their own party as the party of a new, more inward looking America. With the right candidate in 2028, this is possible (just look at how Republicans did an about face from Bush in 2016 and took the anti-intervention issue from Obama).

[Devils30]

If Biden loses, Democrats are going to have to come terms with two things.

First, you can't build a winning electoral coalition with only college educated voters. This coalition is an advantage in midterm and off-year elections, but not in a general election when most people are going to vote. They are still outnumbered 2 to 1, and the number of young Americans choosing to earn a college degree will decline in the coming decades as the value of a college education declines. Choosing to appeal to minority voters without a college education based just on racial fear tactics will be less effective as younger Americans have no connection to the civil rights movement and no memories of the Reagan presidency.

Second, how America views itself in the context of the world has changed. As the last of the WW2 veterans die off, younger Americans have no understanding of why the current world system was set up the way it was. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were objective failures. Our allies are now seen as freeloaders, and free trade is now seen as a net negative. Same with immigration. Democrats will need to wrestle these issues from Trump and build a popular public association with their own party as the party of a new, more inward looking America. With the right candidate in 2028, this is possible (just look at how Republicans did an about face from Bush in 2016 and took the anti-intervention issue from Obama).

Not just that they can't win with only college ed voters, college whites are quite pro-Israel (outside white athiest leftists under 30) and not the most in favor of redistributive economic policy. Dems might find themselves completely f***ed if these voters go back to 2000-2004 numbers, which they will if the Dems foreign policy involves supporting foreign terror groups. Combine that with Asians flipping red, GOP winning 45% Hispanics and Dems getting 23% of the WWC vote, it could be a long decade.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

More economically populist but hard on immigration? More classically American right with promises of the state no longer getting in the way?

If Biden loses, there'll be two main things to blame: age and gaza.

No more 80 year olds running for pres

And no more genocide condoning.

Those are both definitely big factors but I think the economy trumps both of them... and by that I mean more how people feel like they're doing in this economy on a personal level.  

Yes but economy is less in control of the president.

I know that economy can hurt or improve a standing of the president in USA, but Americans generally overvalue how much the economy is affected by the president. They did it with Trump back in the day due to a pandemic, they are doing it again right now as well. They've been doing it ever since.

Sure, the global political instability and Russia's re-militarization definitely contribute to it but how much can you directly blame Biden for it. Well, i personally think some situations could've been done differently, but to Biden's defense, none of his predecessors did do something about it to prevent what we see today.

The rating how your president based on how the economy is doing, nonsense. Especially when there are higher stakes at play (like the future of democracy). If you refuse to vote for Biden simply because of the economy, you're an idiot. There are other reasons why not to vote for Biden, but the state of the economy isn't a valid one.

There are few lessons also to be learned from "Biden loses because of the economy"... I mean.

But you're right, for some people and to some extent if Biden loses, the economy will be to blame and could put the needle into a certain direction if it leant the other way if the economy was a little bit better. Sure, there are a number of factors why Biden could lose, but in a close election, this definitely matters.

[ProgressiveModerate]

If Biden loses, Democrats are going to have to come terms with two things.

First, you can't build a winning electoral coalition with only college educated voters. This coalition is an advantage in midterm and off-year elections, but not in a general election when most people are going to vote. They are still outnumbered 2 to 1, and the number of young Americans choosing to earn a college degree will decline in the coming decades as the value of a college education declines. Choosing to appeal to minority voters without a college education based just on racial fear tactics will be less effective as younger Americans have no connection to the civil rights movement and no memories of the Reagan presidency.

Second, how America views itself in the context of the world has changed. As the last of the WW2 veterans die off, younger Americans have no understanding of why the current world system was set up the way it was. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were objective failures. Our allies are now seen as freeloaders, and free trade is now seen as a net negative. Same with immigration. Democrats will need to wrestle these issues from Trump and build a popular public association with their own party as the party of a new, more inward looking America. With the right candidate in 2028, this is possible (just look at how Republicans did an about face from Bush in 2016 and took the anti-intervention issue from Obama).

Not just that they can't win with only college ed voters, college whites are quite pro-Israel (outside white athiest leftists under 30) and not the most in favor of redistributive economic policy. Dems might find themselves completely f***ed if these voters go back to 2000-2004 numbers, which they will if the Dems foreign policy involves supporting foreign terror groups. Combine that with Asians flipping red, GOP winning 45% Hispanics and Dems getting 23% of the WWC vote, it could be a long decade.

I find it very very unlikely college educated voters will revert to 2000/2004 numbers anytime soon, even if Dems do something they dislike with foreign policy. A large part of why this group has shifted left is because who's in the group has also changed pretty dramatically - you're college educated voter who graduated in the 80s is the not the same as your college educated voter who graduated in 2000 or 2020.

[henster]

I think there will be a lot more anger towards Biden than there ever was at Hillary for losing. There actually was a concerted effort by prominent figures calling for Biden to not run again and many opportunities for him to step aside. So he'd look selfish and arrogant if he lost and that anger would hurt anyone in the Biden orbit especially Harris but even people like Buttigieg would be peppered with Qs like "Why didn't you stop him?"

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

If Trump wins, there won't be a 2028 election, at least not a free and fair one.

The federal government does not run elections in this country . With the 2022 legislation that greatly reformed the electoral counting act , there is pretty much no way to overturn an election without the courts agreeing to do so while before that act there was .

That assumes the states are allowed to hold the elections and that Congress is allowed to convene and certify the vote. Trump simply issues an EO stating that he is King for life, that states are not allowed to hold presidential elections, and that congress cannot certify any states that do, and uses the military to enforce it.

The 2020 effort was poorly organized because Trump believed he could stay in office by winning the election or through the courts to a fault. In 2028, there will be no such path through either of those avenues, so he will establish a well organized military coup through a class of new generals that he will appoint in 2025-27 and that will do whatever he says, constitution be damned.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He won't lose if Trump loses AZ GAME OVER, do users know what's going on in CRT with Trump

MC had Trump +6 those MC polls are tainted, they had Trump up  10 in NC and Zogby had it Trump 5 it's an R 5 H effect in MC and Emerson polle

[Stranger in a strange land]

If Biden loses, Democrats are going to have to come terms with two things.

First, you can't build a winning electoral coalition with only college educated voters. This coalition is an advantage in midterm and off-year elections, but not in a general election when most people are going to vote. They are still outnumbered 2 to 1, and the number of young Americans choosing to earn a college degree will decline in the coming decades as the value of a college education declines. Choosing to appeal to minority voters without a college education based just on racial fear tactics will be less effective as younger Americans have no connection to the civil rights movement and no memories of the Reagan presidency.

Second, how America views itself in the context of the world has changed. As the last of the WW2 veterans die off, younger Americans have no understanding of why the current world system was set up the way it was. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were objective failures. Our allies are now seen as freeloaders, and free trade is now seen as a net negative. Same with immigration. Democrats will need to wrestle these issues from Trump and build a popular public association with their own party as the party of a new, more inward looking America. With the right candidate in 2028, this is possible (just look at how Republicans did an about face from Bush in 2016 and took the anti-intervention issue from Obama).

Not just that they can't win with only college ed voters, college whites are quite pro-Israel (outside white athiest leftists under 30) and not the most in favor of redistributive economic policy. Dems might find themselves completely f***ed if these voters go back to 2000-2004 numbers, which they will if the Dems foreign policy involves supporting foreign terror groups. Combine that with Asians flipping red, GOP winning 45% Hispanics and Dems getting 23% of the WWC vote, it could be a long decade.

I find it very very unlikely college educated voters will revert to 2000/2004 numbers anytime soon, even if Dems do something they dislike with foreign policy. A large part of why this group has shifted left is because who's in the group has also changed pretty dramatically - you're college educated voter who graduated in the 80s is the not the same as your college educated voter who graduated in 2000 or 2020.

Yes this doesn't get remarked upon enough, but it isn't that a bunch of educated suburban Bush 2000/2004 voters started voting Democratic. It's that their kids did.

[2016]

Nominate Gretchen Whitmer or Josh Shapiro in 2028. After another term of Trump, they would probably win a 2008-style landlide. Democrats would probably be also fine in 2026 then. These are the only silver linings with this stupid moron coming back.

I would not be so sure about a 2008 style landslide . Keep in mind the 2008 election was a tossup on September 14th 2008 despite the fact that Bush’s approvals were in the 20s , we were mired in a very unpopular war in Iraq , economic pessimism was high (though not as high as it would be later in the campaign) , and the democrats nominating a once in a generation talent .

It wasn’t until the collapse of Lehman Brothers and the financial crises happening that turned the 2008 election into a rout . Otherwise it probably is a narrow Obama victory (where Obama gets between 300-320 EV) . My guess is Dems probably would be favored to win but probably semi closely .

Now on the flip side the GOP did nominate McCain in 2008 who was personally pretty popular while today the Republicans don’t really have anyone on their bench who fits that .

A 2nd Trump Presidency would be a complete sh**tshow. Democrats would win big in 2026 & 2028.