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Question: Have ultra liberals completely lost the plot when it comes to the Iraq war
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Citizen James
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« on: May 07, 2005, 03:25:01 PM »

Many liberals would rather see America lose than see Bush win.  That is the bottom line.  They don't care about our security or future; hatred of the president comes first.

It's nice to see you post something sensible, MissCatholic.

And many conservatives would rather see America lose than Bush lose.

The war may have been justified on humanitarian grounds.   Though doing the right thing for the wrong reasons isn't a free pass.  If anyone had actually paid attention at the time, they would have noted that the CIA didn't think that he had WMD's, but admited it was feasable.

Meanwhile, genocide continues in the Sudan while we do nothing.  Will we wait until fifteen years after the fact (like we did in Iraq - you do realize that Saddam gassing the Kurds happened in the mid-80's, don't you?).

And still, the right hamstrings our millitary by overrelying on reserves - who are being used as cannon fodder by the neo-cons who care more about doing war on the cheap (and thus freeing up monies for pork like SDI and mininukes), rather than increasing recruitment for the regular army.

That's the paradox though.  Modern liberals, for the most part, care about our troops but question the rationale given for the war.  Modern conservatives have little but contempt for our troops, giving them little more than lip service and photo ops while shorting them on armor and recalling them for multiple tours after they have already met their obligation.
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Citizen James
James42
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2005, 04:11:18 PM »

They don't care about our security or future

Iraq made us less secure. Ignoring the 8/06/01 memo made us less secure. Kerry would have made us more secure.

Why would Kerry, or Gore if we want to talk about 9/11, make any different decisions. Why would Gore pay attention to a memo, when the administration he was a member us, and what he based his campaign around, ignored attack after attack. The 1993 WTC bombing should've told Clinton to act, he ignored it. The 1998 embassy bombings should've told Clinton to act, he didn't. The 2000 USS Cole bombing should've told him to act, he didn't.

1996 anti-terrorism bill. Look it up. It's a watered down version of what Clinton wanted Congress to pass.

Ever heard of the LA airport bombing? Nope. Well maybe that's because it was sucessfully stopped during the Clinton adminstration.

You gotta understand, these far right conservatives, they don't care about little things like facts .  Their only concern is in idological purity, facts be damned.  A simple google search for "millenium bomb plot" will turn up tons of reliable sources about prevented terrorist attack.  Heck, even conservative leaning Fox news[URL] makes note of it - but I'm sure our conservative friends will just write it off as "Liberal media" as they do for anything they don't want to see.
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