OLD: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (See new thread: Reference Only)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am going to start posting pictures of Ohio's greatest Governor ever very soon.

[Badger]

I am going to start posting pictures of Ohio's greatest Governor ever very soon.

You can post pictures of Dick Celeste anytime you want. And working on it now.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am going to start posting pictures of Ohio's greatest Governor ever very soon.

You can post pictures of Dick Celeste anytime you want. And working on it now.

You don't deserve Celeste, you deserve Kasich and Kasich is what ye shall have.

[Badger]

Operating under the assumption that the last Section re: limitation of taxation will not kick in---as financing of this bill's provisions will not occur otherwise---The GM's Office anticipates this bill will cost upwards of $70-$110 billion annually. The employer's share of payroll taxes will increase slightly from current levels. Individual employee income tax levels will increase from approximately 7.65% to 12.3%.

Whether this increased tax levels will be satisfactory, estimates range from "probably close" to "dubious", but at any rate is not expected to fall that short from financing (perhaps in the low double digit billions at worse).

Part of the uncertainty stems from the application of the indemnities for those injured and killed in accidents, and how it will affect overall insurance rates or the litigation system. Even resolving those matters, however, this bill will still cost at least towards the lower level of these estimates, and even then the increased taxation is uncertain to cover all costs.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Interesting.


People better start posting reflections on this info, or don't think it'll just be Kasich, ye shall have to face.

[Badger]

I am going to start posting pictures of Ohio's greatest Governor ever very soon.

You can post pictures of Dick Celeste anytime you want. And working on it now.

You don't deserve Celeste, you deserve Kasich and Kasich is what ye shall have.

"Deserve"? Hell, don't blame me! I voted (and phonebanked) for Strickland. I'm not one of the million or so Ohioans with buyers remorse.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

...have enough already, Badger?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am going to start posting pictures of Ohio's greatest Governor ever very soon.

You can post pictures of Dick Celeste anytime you want. And working on it now.

You don't deserve Celeste, you deserve Kasich and Kasich is what ye shall have.

"Deserve"? Hell, don't blame me! I voted (and phonebanked) for Strickland. I'm not one of the million or so Ohioans with buyers remorse.

Who said anything about blame. I like Kasich, even more so now that he pisses you and Marokai off every single day. Just knowing that you two will be living with that for 8 years, makes me feel warm inside.

Just skip to the part where he wins reelection and get it over with. You might as well take all the pain at once.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

By increasing payroll taxes, this will be increasing lower income citizens federal taxes by over 50%.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Operating under the assumption that the last Section re: limitation of taxation will not kick in---as financing of this bill's provisions will not occur otherwise---The GM's Office anticipates this bill will cost upwards of $70-$110 billion annually. The employer's share of payroll taxes will increase slightly from current levels. Individual employee income tax levels will increase from approximately 7.65% to 12.3%.

Whether this increased tax levels will be satisfactory, estimates range from "probably close" to "dubious", but at any rate is not expected to fall that short from financing (perhaps in the low double digit billions at worse).

Part of the uncertainty stems from the application of the indemnities for those injured and killed in accidents, and how it will affect overall insurance rates or the litigation system. Even resolving those matters, however, this bill will still cost at least towards the lower level of these estimates, and even then the increased taxation is uncertain to cover all costs.

Have you tried to assess the impact of each form of possible taxation ? Which would raise more revenue, and which would hurt the economy the most, etc... I'm sorry to ask you that but my knowledge in economics is quite limited on this domain.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Under request of our soon-to-be SoIA, here's an amendment setting the number of members for the Superior council.

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BTW, as the PPT has cahnged since the introduction of this bill, the last two Amendments (the one about the time to reach workplace and one clarifying the repeal of previously established taxes) weren't added to the bill.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I just realized I can't put these amendments in. I can't select just what I want for copy and pasting with this crazy scrolling issues that started a few weeks ago. I go to highlight what I want and it grabs half the page.

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[Antonio the Sixth]

Eh, that sucks...

Ok, I'll do that later. Thank you for your dedication.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I'm wondering what the basis is for the child allowance figures. Do costs steadily increase as a child gets older? From my understanding the larger factors are local cost of living and less costs with each additional child.  Also there is an incentive in this section for parents to not share a household which could be real if there are multiple children, plus an effective cost to people in this from moving from just below to just above the threshold of the third and sixth tax brackets.

[Yelnoc]

I just realized I can't put these amendments in. I can't select just what I want for copy and pasting with this crazy scrolling issues that started a few weeks ago. I go to highlight what I want and it grabs half the page.

That happened to me too.  It's a bug with Internet Explorer.  Try using Google Chrome; it fixed it for me.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'm wondering what the basis is for the child allowance figures. Do costs steadily increase as a child gets older? From my understanding the larger factors are local cost of living and less costs with each additional child.  Also there is an incentive in this section for parents to not share a household which could be real if there are multiple children, plus an effective cost to people in this from moving from just below to just above the threshold of the third and sixth tax brackets.

I assumed that, as a child gets older, his needs in terms of aliments, clothing, school material, get higher. I don't know if we have studies about that to work on, but I might be wrong of course. The costs by child might not be strictly proportional, but overall I think it's the less unfair way to calculate it. If we set decreasing allowances, there is always a risk that having one more child seriously lowers your standard of living.
Of course there is an incentive to separated household, but I think it is essential to provide some help to parents who raise their child alone. Those are usually people with very low incomes and who have the most difficulties to raise their child, and deserve more help than traditional households. I really don't know how to prevent this kind of incentive, but higher allowances for isolated parents are very important to me.
Also, you're right about the possible consequences of very strong changes in allowances when you go above a certain threshold. Maybe should we set more gradual changes, like 100% -> 83% -> 67% -> 50% -> 33% -> 17% -> 0% or something like that ?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I just realized I can't put these amendments in. I can't select just what I want for copy and pasting with this crazy scrolling issues that started a few weeks ago. I go to highlight what I want and it grabs half the page.

That happened to me too.  It's a bug with Internet Explorer.  Try using Google Chrome; it fixed it for me.

I tried switching browsers early last year when Youtube stopped working at one point. I couldn't get the new one to work at all. So I deleted it and redownlowded a copy of IE 8 and it fixed the problem.


This scrolling issue started when I installed AOL 9.5 four weeks ago because AOL Security Edition had grown unstable. Now 9.5 has the same problems Secruity Edition had only now I have this scrolling issue to go with it.

[Yelnoc]

I just realized I can't put these amendments in. I can't select just what I want for copy and pasting with this crazy scrolling issues that started a few weeks ago. I go to highlight what I want and it grabs half the page.

That happened to me too.  It's a bug with Internet Explorer.  Try using Google Chrome; it fixed it for me.

I tried switching browsers early last year when Youtube stopped working at one point. I couldn't get the new one to work at all. So I deleted it and redownlowded a copy of IE 8 and it fixed the problem.


This scrolling issue started when I installed AOL 9.5 four weeks ago because AOL Security Edition had grown unstable. Now 9.5 has the same problems Secruity Edition had only now I have this scrolling issue to go with it.

Was Google Chrome the browser you switched to?  I don't have AOL so I can't help you there though because I have had the scrolling I am thinking that is an issue with Internet Explorer.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I just realized I can't put these amendments in. I can't select just what I want for copy and pasting with this crazy scrolling issues that started a few weeks ago. I go to highlight what I want and it grabs half the page.

That happened to me too.  It's a bug with Internet Explorer.  Try using Google Chrome; it fixed it for me.

I tried switching browsers early last year when Youtube stopped working at one point. I couldn't get the new one to work at all. So I deleted it and redownlowded a copy of IE 8 and it fixed the problem.


This scrolling issue started when I installed AOL 9.5 four weeks ago because AOL Security Edition had grown unstable. Now 9.5 has the same problems Secruity Edition had only now I have this scrolling issue to go with it.

Was Google Chrome the browser you switched to?  I don't have AOL so I can't help you there though because I have had the scrolling I am thinking that is an issue with Internet Explorer.

It was Firefox


The scrolling issue didn't start till I upgraded AOL. IT may have changed a setting in IE.

[Badger]

I am going to start posting pictures of Ohio's greatest Governor ever very soon.

You can post pictures of Dick Celeste anytime you want. And working on it now.

You don't deserve Celeste, you deserve Kasich and Kasich is what ye shall have.

"Deserve"? Hell, don't blame me! I voted (and phonebanked) for Strickland. I'm not one of the million or so Ohioans with buyers remorse.

Who said anything about blame. I like Kasich, even more so now that he pisses you and Marokai off every single day. Just knowing that you two will be living with that for 8 4 years, makes me feel warm inside.

Corrected.

And go to hell, Kal. Or else I'll start posting photos of some right wing Polish pol (just as soon as I care enough to learn about Polish politics ).