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Mr. Morden
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« on: January 10, 2017, 12:49:25 AM »

Trump himself was so "loyal" to the party that he said the previous Republican president before him lied us into war and should have been impeached.  Clearly his lack of party loyalty was a dealbreaker for voters...
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2017, 11:26:12 PM »

Candidates who abandon their national ticket can often keep getting re-elected in their state if the national ticket is out of sync with the state's party, but it still kills their chances if they want to run for President.  This is exactly what happened to Rockefeller, he turned to the right after 1970, but it was never enough for the GOP's conservatives, who never forgave his apostasy.  Democrats who were silent on McGovern were some of the first casualties of the 1974 move by the Democratic caucus to end the seniority system.  I cannot think of a single Presidential or Vice Presidential nominee of either party who bucked their party's Presidential nominee by refusing to support them, and made it onto the ticket after that.  Indeed, until this year, the only ticket members who I can remember not endorsing the nominee AFTER being on the ticket were Joe Lieberman (who actually campaigned for McCain and was almost HIS VP candidate) and MAYBE John Sparkman in 1972.  

And yet, despite this history, many Republican politicians (not just Kasich) last year publicly said that they wouldn't vote for Trump:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=230807.0

All of these folks either 1) have no interest in running on a national ticket in the future, and are content to hold onto their current office forever, 2) don't think the history you cite is relevant to their situation, for whatever reason, or 3) are principled enough that they're willing to risk their own ambitions because they think Trump is sufficiently terrible that they had to speak out against him.

I mean, that's the full range of logical possibilities, right?  What's the fourth option?  That some of these folks actually thought Trump wouldn't be the nominee anymore by election day, because he'd quit over the Billy Bush tape or something?
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2017, 11:28:22 PM »

Primary season flashback:

I have respect for the Republicans who say they won't support Trump.  Some of them have deep policy differences, some of them are afraid of alienating Democrats they need to be re-elected, and some honestly don't like his persona.  What I don't have respect for are those Republicans who put Trump down, call him a bigot, racist, etc, but then say he's better than Hillary, so they'll support him if he's the nominee.  They're only better than the cowards who won't answer the question on the grounds that "Trump's not going to be the nominee."
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Mr. Morden
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2017, 10:34:45 PM »

It's pretty clear that the general electorate outside of the Deep South is not just tolerant of NeverTrump Republicanism, but outright willing to reward it. There's no other way to explain that every NeverTrump Republican Senator except for the one facing a multi-candidate race ran ahead of Trump. This was true even in the areas where Trump improved so dramatically -- Ohio voted for Trump by 8 points, and for its incumbent NeverTrump Senator by 21. Toomey, Portman, Ayotte, Kirk, McCain, Lee, and Crapo all ran ahead of Trump. Several by double-digits.

Just to clarify on two of those names....Crapo reneged on his #NeverTrump position two weeks before the election and did a re-endorsement of Trump.  Toomey simply refused to say who he was voting for, but then a day after the election claimed that he voted for Trump.  But yeah, the other names you mention were all #NeverTrump.
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