Let the great boundary rejig commence

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You will be hunted down and killed for "Birmingham Sutton" you know

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Right, got Wigan (c75k), Makerfield (c73k) and Leigh (c75k)

This leaves Bolton minus bits (c176k) and Atherton ward. I fear that it would be impossible to create seats with just the left over bits and Atherton. I'll report back!

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Bolton is driving me mad. I'm only 900 votes short of quota, but I can't get Bolton West redrawn

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How do you want to redraw Bolton West anyway?

I do think you may be starting with the wrong place in just trying to do Bolton (or something) and hoping everything else will fall into place.  Bolton is so far away from the quota that there will be knock-on effects with the neighbouring boroughs (Salford and Bury).

I am working west-->east, so now the borough of Wigan is done (Atherton missing out), I was hoping it would all work out.....I could create a JUST under Bolton West and hope the December 2010 electorate tips it over

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Right, progress.....


Bolton West
Unchanged. It is under quota, but I will argue that the stability is surely a selling point? Unless we're going to start splitting wards, this is the best solution all round

Bolton Central
Oh you'd love to know what I almost called this   This takes wards from top to bottom of Bolton borough, south and north.

Bolton East and Radcliffe
Okay, the shape of this is AWFUL, but as long as you accept that the A667 is a valid link between Kearsley and the western bits of Bury, all is well, no?

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Going to bed with these...

Worsley - 72,808
Salford and Eccles - 75,678

Blackley and Broughton - 71,977
Manchester Central and Ordsall - 71,028

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My fear is, if Manchester/Salford is under quota, or just impossible to fashion, then my entire proposal falls down. I don't fancy going all the way back to Garstang just to solve Salford.

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Bolton West
Bolton West      71,061
Atherton   00BWGG   10,618
Westhoughton North and Chew Moor   00BLGR   10,932
Westhoughton South   00BLGS   9,581
Horwich and Blackrod   00BLGH   9,629
Horwich North East   00BLGJ   9,760
Smithills   00BLGP   9,902
Heaton and Lostock   00BLGG   10,639

Bolton Central      75,966
Astley Bridge   00BLFX   10,035
Crompton   00BLGB   9,939
Halliwell   00BLGE   8,827
Rumworth   00BLGN   9,742
Hulton   00BLGK   9,777
Great Lever   00BLGD   9,223
Tonge with the Haulgh   00BLGQ   8,944
Breightmet   00BLFZ   9,479

Bolton East and Radcliffe       73,814
Farnworth   00BLGC   10,708
Harper Green   00BLGF   9,506
Kearsley   00BLGL   10,345
Radcliffe East   00BMGB   8,468
Radcliffe North   00BMGC   8,839
Radcliffe West   00BMGD   8,395
Pilkington Park   00BMGA   7,777
Little Lever and Darcy Lever   00BLGM   9,776

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Devizes, Devizes, Devizes.  Memories of Latin classes "devize, devizii, divesu...."

"Westbury" would nobody any favours, keep is Wiltshire South West

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Portsmouth South & Ryde 75,160
Remainder of Portsmouth (50.4% of constituency), Wootton Bridge, Havenstreet etc, Brading etc, Sandown South wards and points north east
Isle of Wight (or Wight West) 72,968
Remainder[/i]

Why are Orkney-Shetland and Na H-Eileanan An Iar allowed to stay as one constituency each, but not the Isle of Wight?

If you know the Isles, it makes perfect sense. Wight is not some isolated wind-swept netherworld. Shetland may as be independent, it is very difficult to travel from one to other islands within Shetland never mind to Orkney or beyond.

Ditto the Western Isles - the sheer size and nature of them make their special status perfectly legit.

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People on the Isle of Wight have, however, consistently expressed a desire not to be paired with the mainland.

Indeed they have, but there's no credibility in having equal size across the country....except for isloated Scottish communities and one very not-isolated southern island.

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Yeah, well, f*** the rules. Bah.

You could always split Penylan. The A48 is a reasonably clear boundary between Penylan and Roath Park. Or you could give the Old St. Mellons (about a third of the ward) part of Pontprennau/Old St. Mellons to SE.

You can't just go "f*** the rules" !  That's the kind of attitude which creates Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland!

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I've been away from doing this since getting into a Salford/Bolton/Manc trap. I'll get back to this today, hopefully.

How you lot do it so quickly I'll never know! It takes me aaages =<

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LOL - you may not neede it but I do ! I've got to get this ready for sending my submission off in December (or whenever it is)

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LOL - you may not neede it but I do ! I've got to get this ready for sending my submission off in December (or whenever it is)

I was thinking of an Atlas Forum group submission.

Ooooh, now I hadn't thought about doing that! Epic idea.

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Oh wait, I think the reason why this is taking so long is because of the stupid ward sizes in stupid Salford and stupid geography and DAMN STUPID KERSAL!!

If Kersal didn't exist I'd've been laughing.  Riiiiiiiight, time to start all over AGAIN.

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No, hah, got it....

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This leaves Ordsall, Irwell and Broughton at, what, 22k ish ?  I am back on track....

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No, hah, got it....

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Prestwich is St Mary's and Holyrood and Sedgley wards.  I don't support this seat.

Bollocks. I thought it might be....Damn it, er.....can I offer a name change? I'm well onto Manchester now, I can't fiddle with Salford without splitting wards and there's no way an ordinary person can be expected to faff about with ward splitting.

"Bury and Prestwich" and "Worsley and....."..... what is the eastern Prestwich bits, then? I'll check election-maps.....

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Aaagh this is so annoying. I 'll have to undo all my work to keep Prestwich together.

I'm starting to really fsking hate this boundary review business.

How do you lot get it done so quickly?

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Cheers for that. Remember, I've done and dusted Lancashire, which includes three Bury wards, I can't start unpicking that.

Looks like I'm just not good enough for this. You've beaten me at something I thought I was good at!

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Gordon - Wikipedia to the rescue!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_%28district%29

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Following my Salford feedback (aka "change it, mate, seriously"), I've come up with what I think is a workable alternative.

I'm away tonight, so tomorrow will give it my full attention.

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You'd have to include "Leith" in an Edinburgh seat name, they go mad if you don't....

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When I eventually finish mine, the next step - typing up the proposals into a formal document. We better get reconition for this!

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I'll let you know how I get on here, now I know that Prestwich is a 25k unit which shouldn't be split, I can only look at a Rest of Bury + Rochdale seat, bringing Prestwich with bits south....