Opinion of Memphis

[Antonio the Sixth]

What he said was stupid but he's just going to keep on saying it. In part, I think because the reaction to it is so sanctimonious it's nauseating. This forum has a misoygnistic streak to it and Memphis' comments while blatant are disturbingly more 'welcome' than the more subtle examples that we are used to hearing and which never get called out.

Do you have any example of this? I don't think that I or the other feminist posters have ever overlooked displays of prejudice by other posers. Of course, I could have missed something.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The thing is, normative male heterosexuality should be critiqued.

We're listening.   

There are people here who can do this much better than I can, but the basic takeaway is that it's more than anything else an instrument of control, and a lot of what straight men (and people who aren't straight men, in all fairness) think is a 'natural' or 'normal' aspect of their or others' sexuality is an outgrowth of that dynamic of control. Besides, 'natural' and 'normal' don't actually sum to 'good' anyway; we need an ethic of sexuality that goes beyond construction of naturalness and normality and bears some relation to a comprehensive way of looking at social relationships in general. Me being who I am, I'd prefer if this was informed by some type of not-too-heterodox liberation theology, but that is probably too much to hope for.

[Hash]

What he said was stupid but he's just going to keep on saying it. In part, I think because the reaction to it is so sanctimonious it's nauseating. This forum has a misoygnistic streak to it and Memphis' comments while blatant are disturbingly more 'welcome' than the more subtle examples that we are used to hearing and which never get called out.

Do you have any example of this? I don't think that I or the other feminist posters have ever overlooked displays of prejudice by other posers. Of course, I could have missed something.

The infamous Sandra Fluke thread.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

meh.

[Antonio the Sixth]

What he said was stupid but he's just going to keep on saying it. In part, I think because the reaction to it is so sanctimonious it's nauseating. This forum has a misoygnistic streak to it and Memphis' comments while blatant are disturbingly more 'welcome' than the more subtle examples that we are used to hearing and which never get called out.

Do you have any example of this? I don't think that I or the other feminist posters have ever overlooked displays of prejudice by other posers. Of course, I could have missed something.

The infamous Sandra Fluke thread.

I recall that many posters (me comprised) expressed rightful disgust at that abomination.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

How about the one I quoted, is that enough for you?

What's the problem there?  Your taking that post and immediately comparing him to Todd Akin is absurd and probably insulting.

Reasonably sure that the 'well you wouldn't live your car unlocked would you?' argument is generally regarded as measuring pretty highly on the old 'abhorrent things men say about rape' scale.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Oh, there's plenty of unpleasant sexism and low level misogyny on display here; a fact that is deplorable. Not entirely sure what that has to do with the price of rice, though.

We don't have many black posters either, incidentally.

[King]

We don't have many black posters either, incidentally.

If only we didn't ban them...

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

We don't have many black posters either, incidentally.

If only we didn't ban them...

I still miss that uppity kid. 

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well, there's still Oldiesfreak.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Well, there's still Oldiesfreak.

And J.J.

[Sol]

The thing is, normative male heterosexuality should be critiqued.

Oh, I agree. I was just trying to explain his thought processes.

[Sopranos Republican]

We don't have many black posters either, incidentally.

If only we didn't ban them...

I still miss that uppity kid. 

Same here

[rejectamenta]

What the heck is a cisgender?

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

What the heck is a cisgender?

Google is your friend, friend.    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

[Kung Fu Kenny]

Well, there's still Oldiesfreak.

And J.J.

Damn

[Velasco]

Memphis is an insensitive prick who hides behind the veil of his nonexistent "leftism". If he was truly liberal and progressive, he'd care about improving the lives of those who aren't white, cisgendered, heterosexual men. But beneath it all, he's no better than the Tea Party.

I tend to agree on that part. Unluckily, there are enough and well known examples of misogyny and homophobia on the left, especially looking back towards more intolerant times. Nowadays, it really shocks me that a self proclaimed leftist could support affirmations as absurd as to compare rape and women "dressed like sluts" with leaving the doors of your house open when you go out. Such ignorance fits better in the Tea Party. Clear example of how male chauvinism damages the brains of our kids.

[RI]

What the heck is a cisgender?

Google is your friend, friend.    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

That word inspires so much irrational anger in me. I hate it so much.

[Marokai Backbeat]

What the heck is a cisgender?

Google is your friend, friend.    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

That word inspires so much irrational anger in me. I hate it so much.

I'm curious as to why?

[Mechaman]

According to recent exit polling, 40% of this forum approves of transphobia, sexism, and ignorance.

Way the go guys!

[RI]

What the heck is a cisgender?

Google is your friend, friend.    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

That word inspires so much irrational anger in me. I hate it so much.

I'm curious as to why?

A couple of reasons, but mainly because I'm not a fan of the trend (seen especially on places like tumblr) to categorize every possible paraphilia in order to make people feel special about themselves. I simply don't care if you're a lesbian FtM transgendered with a "headspace" occupied by an asexual otherkin and a litter of pansexual hermaphroditic zoophiles and you feel "oppressed" by the "cisgendered", "heteronormative" social construction because you can't talk about your quixotic sexual fantasies in public without people giving you funny looks. I admit this is a bit of reducio ad adsurdum, but I've yet to see a person who uses the word cisgendered regularly who doesn't act like they have a chip of their shoulder due to all the world being out to get them because they want attention for being "special."

In general, I suppose, I object to the rationalization, desanctification, and compartmentalization of human sexuality, and the unnecessarily cavalier way in which it is so often interjected into public discourse. I try not to talk about my sexuality and my predilections, and I don't care to hear about anyone else's.

[opebo]

FF obviously

[opebo]

The thing is, normative male heterosexuality should be critiqued.

There are people here who can do this much better than I can, but the basic takeaway is that it's more than anything else an instrument of control, and a lot of what straight men (and people who aren't straight men, in all fairness) think is a 'natural' or 'normal' aspect of their or others' sexuality is an outgrowth of that dynamic of control. Besides, 'natural' and 'normal' don't actually sum to 'good' anyway; we need an ethic of sexuality that goes beyond construction of naturalness and normality and bears some relation to a comprehensive way of looking at social relationships in general. Me being who I am, I'd prefer if this was informed by some type of not-too-heterodox liberation theology, but that is probably too much to hope for.

What precisely are you talking about?  Outlawing intercourse?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Good to see you, opebo. How are things?

The thing is, normative male heterosexuality should be critiqued.

There are people here who can do this much better than I can, but the basic takeaway is that it's more than anything else an instrument of control, and a lot of what straight men (and people who aren't straight men, in all fairness) think is a 'natural' or 'normal' aspect of their or others' sexuality is an outgrowth of that dynamic of control. Besides, 'natural' and 'normal' don't actually sum to 'good' anyway; we need an ethic of sexuality that goes beyond construction of naturalness and normality and bears some relation to a comprehensive way of looking at social relationships in general. Me being who I am, I'd prefer if this was informed by some type of not-too-heterodox liberation theology, but that is probably too much to hope for.

What precisely are you talking about?  Outlawing intercourse?

No.

[opebo]

Good to see you, opebo. How are things?

Just fine I suppose.  I was busy for a few days with the horrible miseries of toil.

What precisely are you talking about?  Outlawing intercourse?

No.

So, what's your point?