Talk Elections

General Election

President Barack Obama: 47%
Mike Huckabee: 44%

President Barack Obama: 47%
Mitt Romney: 40%

President Barack Obama: 49%
Newt Gingrich: 41%

President Barack Obama: 52%
Sarah Palin: 38%

Favorables among all voters:

Huckabee: 45-28
Romney: 37-34
Palin: 40-49
Gingrich: 33-42

Favorables among GOP voters:

Palin: 72-16
Huckabee: 66-13
Gingrich: 56-21
Romney: 52-18

PPP conducted a national survey of 909 voters from August 14th to 17th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.3%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_820.pdf

That's horrific.

That's terrific.

Might just be the worst match-up of candidates ever in US history.

That's fine...I don't think those favorables will get any higher when voters discover Huckabee wants to change the Constitution along the lines of the Bible, or the other crazy views he espouses.

I'm so proud of it this guy is definitely the best republican with Romney.
He's even tied with Obama among lower incomes.

:o


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That is going to depend on the extent to which the president has, or has not, a positive record of accomplishment to run on in 2012


Huckabee, of course, has the likeability factor.

Saintly, meanwhile, is poison among moderates. She can thank her hate rallies for that

I doub this, I think Romney has the best shot against Obama. Huckabee (bless him) is just a likeable person that people can relate to. When they see the issues, Romney will win.

Yay!

If Palin doesn't run, Romney can screw it, I'm support Huck over him!

So, what will my 3rd party options be?

I still think Romney would be a better candidate, once the race gets heated. This poll means nothing.

Huck seems like a nice guy and all, but I don't think I could ever vote for him for President.

And that's really the bottom line. Huck's a cool guy, but I don't think he can govern this country. In fact if he wins, I am pretty sure that if I can(if my career is portable and haven't tried to settle down again yet), I will be emmigrating. I have even heard Republicans say this.

This country is stupid.

He'd crash and burn in an actual campaign.

The bigger point is that Obama is under 50 against Huck and Romney.

Please note that the PPP general election numbers have always been R friendly but Huckabee is your best shot out of these four.

Huckabbe is tougher and smarter than a lot of people think, even i'll admit that.

I think speaking for most Republicans, we'd rather have none of these 4.

I would never trust such flip-flooper and opportunist. Romney would switch to everything just to get elected

At least I can believe Huckabee views are real (of course I'm not his supporter)

That's interesting considering the relative differences between what each says and what their records say would suggest the opposite.  Interesting how people somehow missed that.  It must have been the sweet, gentle way Huckabee speaks his inconsistencies.


No, he's not.  He got lucky in 2008 and will never be able to pull anything near that off again.  He is a terrible candidate, we just didn't have the chance to see that.  He shot up right before he needed to and no one took the time before that to look at him critically.  Now there's no reason to because he's harmless.  As soon as he would be thrown into a race as a serious candidate he would collapse.

Fezzy, Kalwejt just gets his ideas of candidates from MSM. He doesn't actually know them. Romney is actually the least "flip-flopping" especially considering past MA presidential candidates.

There was never a Presidential election in American history as 2008, in which income correlated less with voting than any other. Ethnicity, religion, education, and the urban/rural divide mattered more. Two of the poorest counties in America, Owsley and Martin Counties in Kentucky voted about 3-1 for John McCain. Explanation: they are very white. The richest county in America, Loudoun County in Virginia, voted for Obama. Loudoun County is one of the best-educated counties in America.

Democrats used to win the votes of under-educated, poor white people; such is no longer so. Religion may be the difference; poor whites with low levels of education gravitate heavily toward Protestant fundamentalism which teaches that the Bible is greater truth than, for example, Newton's laws of motion and the atomic theory of matter. Or it could be that Protestant fundamentalists gravitate toward severe poverty.

Don't worry; Huckabee is unlikely to win over the educated people who used to vote regularly for the Republican Party when it wasn't so tied to the superstition-mongers.

lol

Romney is a fraud/aka used car salesman.

So original!  I love thinkers.  Thank you so much for your valuable opinions...er the opinions of his opponents' smear machines.  God knows we didn't hear those enough already!

He said Kerry was a worst flip flopper than Romney. That is ridiculous.

His ridiculous pandering to the social conservative wing of the party was terrible. If he actually ran on what he really believes, he would have done much better in my opinion.

The problem with the polls right now is that only Palin has been Palinized. What I mean is that she's been savaged by the media and the Dems (and there are some self inflicted wounds), and when's the last time Huck or Romney was the subject of a negative attack? As soon as they wrap up the the nomination, Huck is a right wing religious wacko even more than Palin, Romney is a flip flopper whose Mormonism will be held against him, and Newt is a philandering old relic.
Will their numbers hold up any better than hers if they were attacked the same way? That's the big question.

Can anyone explain to me how Romney is a flip-flopper?  From what I understand, the only issue he's changed his opinion on is abortion.  What else is there?

There's nothing else to use against him to cover for their anti-Mormon bigotry.

Have you ever even met a Mormon before?

Everybody flip flops, sometimes for good reasons if for some reason you think you should change your opinion on something. Romney has flipped on abortion, gun control. He gets criticized because he seemed to think one thing when running to be a governor of  a moderate state, and another when attempting to be the nominee of a conservative party. He'll need to explain himself, like every other candidate in the world who is not named Barack Obama.

Folks, Americans would never be stupid enough to elect a subliterate Bible-lovin' right-winger with a disgusting southern drawl.

Yes, they are all over CA. :P

I'm assuming that's supposed to be a joke about Bush?

.yeah.... the question is- can Huckabee pull a Bush- a better question would how Dubya would have done had he run in 1996.

Don't worry, there isn't actually anything.  It's just an easy way for people to dismiss him because there isn't anything real for them to attack him for.

Yeah, because RomneyCare is a great thing to have on his resume...

I he still fighting for Romney Care? What was it, again? Mandatory Insurance, Insurance deregulation  and Coops?

Let's see... he managed to get the entire legislature to vote for it. He got everyone insured. Leadership? Much, much better than Obama's attempts at healthcare reform.

It's a fiscal disaster. It's essentially bankrupt now, after only a few years.

Well, echo chambers are easy to run.

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Stupid for preferring Obama to the Republicans, yes.

Yes, the Massachusetts legislature was an echo chamber for Mitt Romney.


Did you just make that up?  Because it couldn't be further from reality.  I suggest reading up on topics you plan to discuss.

People will saying anything they can think of to try and discredit Mitt Romney. I don't get it.

Mitt Probably did change his mind on at least as many things as John McCain. However, he does seem to be a smart and reasonable Republican. Would I vote for him instead of Obama? Probably not...but still, if he ever becomes President, I can say that I would stand up and accept and support him as my President.

I mean, I was quite pleased when even the craziest bitch on the planet said that though she supported him, he would probably not give her the right-wing golden grail- the Supreme Court refusing to apply constitutional scrutiny on abortion laws.

Remember a long time ago when everyone thought that the 2008 election was going to be between Rudy Guliani and Hillary Clinton. A lot can change three years from now, who would have thought four years ago that Barack Obama would be president.

I can even remember when (according to the CW on this forum) the 2008 election was going to be either Bill Frist or George Allen vs. Mark Warner.

Split the difference, leave any remainder as if it is to go to third parties.

Translation into states voting (using the Cook PVI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_PVI) and a +10 gain for an unambiguous Favorite Son effect):

Obama  51, Huckabee 48:


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Obama       307
Huckabee   218
Tie                13

Pale colors under 5%, white is a virtual tie

Ohio, Florida, Colorado, and Virginia will be nailbiters.  

Obama 53, Romney 46


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Obama   338
Romney  174
Tie            26


It looks much like 2008, doesn't it? Obama barely loses Indiana; Missouri and North Carolina get interesting.


Obama 55, Gingrich 45

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Obama   374
Gingrich  153
Tie            13

Gingrich's performances begin to look mediocre in the South. At best for him  he trades Arizona for Indiana.   This time the networks call the election before the votes from the West Coast start coming in.


Obama 57, Palin 43

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Obama 401
Palin     135
Tie           3

Such is the brink of a GOP disaster -- with the disparity in popular vote reminiscent of Eisenhower versus Stevenson in 1956.

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The Cook PVI rates states on how much more or less Republican or Democratic they voted as opposed to the national average in 2000 and 2008 or in a Congressional district in 2008. Nothing says that the states will vote in any particular pattern, and it can't predict what the percentages will be in 2012. These maps are estimates. Electoral votes are shown for 2008. Relative popularity and unpopularity of politicians will of course change due to events and of course campaign behavior (including selection and positioning of campaign ads).

I think Warner will run in 2016, he won an open seat for senator with 65% of the vote against another former governor. Virginia is a swing state, and the fact that he won by such a huge margin is a good sign for his future.

Obama v. Huckabee?

I don't want to live.

Romneycare is a disaster and it's funny to watch the Republicans who think they're enlightened because they're FISCAL CONSERVATIVES THAT DON'T CARE ABOUT GOD AND SOCIAL ISSUES try to stick to believing that this empty suit is their messiah.

Also, this will never get old:

"I purchased a gun when I was a young man. I've been a hunter pretty much all my life." (Romney's campaign later said he'd been hunting twice, once when he was 15, and once in 2006 at a Republican fundraiser

"I'm not a big-game hunter. I've made that very clear. I've always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will."

Oh, you must be right.  Thanks for clearing that up for us.  Good post.

You're doing a fine job of convincing yourself. Read up a little on what's going on in Massachusetts and try to defend Romneycare as a success from a fiscally conservative perspective, since that's apparently where Romney's credibility lies as a strong Republican candidate.  You can't.

I guess to the Romney fanboys, the best alternative to "big government social cons" like Palin and Huckabee is a big government social...mod(?)...or whatever he is come 2012.

Your sig destroys all the credibility you never had. Troll.

Well my sig is a little outdated but at one time it coincided with an unironic sig of a certain someone.

But this whole thing is just getting tedious.  Every thread is filled with a bunch of clones whining about how slobbering wingnuts are hijacking the party and how awful it will be if someone as electable and amazing as Romney never gets his chance.  I just wonder how much some of you really know about the guy because you can do better if you really do believe in what you claim to. 

Refusing to recognize your own party or candidate's faults is just obnoxious and damaging.  Haphazardly projecting one's ideals of his or her dream candidate on to someone sure worked out with some liberals and Obama...

If he had wanted to run for president someday, he would have let Obama vet him for VP


he's got some skeletons in his closet

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Minor correction.

I'd prefer Obama win a landslide, of course, but I must say... A competitive election between him and Huckabee would yield fascinating state, county, and precinct results...

screw your demographic research man, this is people's LIVES we is talkin' 'bout

what are you going to discover, that white people in the South like folksy guitar playing pastors over Harvard-educated black men?